2006 Mini Enduro: Blue Water Casino

[Ron Hill]

I have been wanting to put on a GRASS ROOTS ENDURO for Mini Boats...I've wanted to do this for many years. Ross has agreed that he'll work with us to do it.

Here's what I'm thinking.....Help me out all you want...

1. Three Hours
2. Two mile course
3. 2 manitory ten minute pit stops
4. No capsuled boats
5. Red Zones like the Blue Casino 300 Enduro

Classes:

Division I

Any Legal "C" Stock Runabout APBA.
Mini GT (Tunnel with 25 HP, Aluminum prop)...
Any vee, flat bottom wooden boat up to 44 cubic inch, shifter gearcase, kneel or sit down.
Any Addictor, Schiada or Vee hull with up to 35 HP motor, any prop.

Division II

Legal Sport C


Division III

Fat C

Division IV

Any 3 cyclinder on a vee bottom hull

Division V

Super Light Tunnel: Legal APBA (What ever those rules are)...

Any interest in running this Enduro the weekend before Thanksgiving, 2006???...You could stay around and race at the Annual Thanksgiving Regatta at Blue Water Casino...

Give me feedback about the classes...this is just a rough plan...Start all the same time, each Division winner to get trophy and money...

[Ron Hill]

Having been one of the FOUNDING FATHERS of the LAST MINI Revolution, I'd like to think I can be a mover and shaker of the NEXT MINI BOAT REVOLUTION...

1. The INTERNET is a POWERFUL TOOL. In the summer I get more than 100 E-Mails a week for propellers for boats with under 60 horse power. Some where in my mind I know there are thousands of people that would race a small boat if they didn't think they'd go broke or get hurt...BRF can promote Boat Racing. The Lone Star Boat racing Association just had a reunion where more than 200 people came...past and present racers were there...All said they came becasue they had heard about it on the INTERNET....

2. The last MINI BOAT REVOLUTION was fueled by Tohatsu, then OMC's desire to sell 45 SS motors... Most of the first GENERATION tunnel boats were not up to the speeds Mod C 's went...and the 45's didn't have capsules...Too many people got hurt..Propeller and engine prices went sky high, so they quit racing them.

3. This race is going to VERY POPULAR because, we want anyone with a small boat to come and HAVE FUN...This is a GRASS ROOTS RACE.....Kids as young as 16 can race...we want women racing, again....This is going to be FAMILY, FUN and FRIENDS....

My goal, is that no boat will exceed 65 MPH in this Enduro. We won't have passing in the corners. We'll drive like GENTLEMEN or we will get a penalty.

3.. Most classes rules will be pretty open, except for safety....Transom heights will be watched and enforced. Ill handling boats, bosts that can't go around a corner without spinning out, will stay on the beach after their manitory pits stops....

My goal, is 15 enteries by April 30, 2006. (Five Divisions, three boats per Division)... $200.00 entry Fee before April 30.....

Again, this is a rough OUTLINE..but Ross is "On Board" and is behind the Mini Enduro...

A few pictures from the OLD DAYS...: Team Schiada, then John Rinker...

[Ron Hill]

The first year we ran, my wife's boat was the only one without an electric starter...Everyone "ROARED" off...we were standing there cranking....She gave me a look that said, "Dummie, where's my starter???"We had an electric starter on this FIBERGLASS C RUNABOUT, number that John Castelli and Bob Wartinger drove...we lead MOD C for a while with this thing....

[Miss BK]

you are making me cry, Ron. Those Kober Kats are soooooo cute. ;)



In that last pic, I think that's Dave Kober in the blue jacket/white hair - isn't it?

[Ron Hill]

In the red sweatshirt, is Ken Scoville, Jr. (Champ Boat inspector)... Old Kneeldown racer....

You coming out and running Fat C with me MissBK.....(I haen't figured out how to make the co-drivers of equal weight...but feel, we should require each driver to make weight... So, we may require that you "DECLARE" your driver's weight and "Ballist" before the race....

[Boat211]

Would this Schiada be legal?http://www.hotboat.com/image_center/data/520/2964various_home_photos_007_Medium_.jpg

[Ron Hill]

Division V, Any three cyclinder Vee Hull....Most the bangers are 75 HP.....Twin 40's would be pushing it....But why not???

[Fast Fred]

i think i know them, them is twin hot 30's:eek: i think thats them:cool:

[Boat211]

Cmon, they are only 30's.

[Boat211]

i think i know them, them is twin hot 30's:eek: i think thats them:cool:
Yep Fred, thats them.

[Miss BK]

You coming out and running Fat C with me MissBK.....(I haen't figured out how to make the co-drivers of equal weight...but feel, we should require each driver to make weight... So, we may require that you "DECLARE" your driver's weight and "Ballist" before the race....

My problem was always finding a driver with short legs like me! :eek: I even had someone suggest duct taping big blocks to my feet so I could reach the pedal! LOL

But short legs meant I could cram my body way up into the nose of the boat, so planing off was a snap - was sure nice to get a jump on the rest of the pack especially when there were 65 entries.

But being wedged in tight up there meant a higher chance of getting stuck in the cockpit in an accident. And so... my right knee is still blue from the steering wheel it yanked out, my neck-bones are fused, and I am missing one of my tricep muscles that rammed side of the cockpit when I stuffed @ 65.

If I got back into it, it would have to be in a capsuled boat. :o

[Ron Hill]

Seel me one, you can run Divison I with one and I can put the other on an Addictor I'm try to "PROCURE"...

[fyremanbill]

Ron, is the mini enduro going to happen. I've got a guy trying to sell me a couple of old 40hp omc's for under $100. I'll put one on my 12' aluminum fishing boat :eek: . Now that sounds like fun.

[Ron Hill]

I drove 1,200 miles this weekend to support a "PLAY DAY" for Grass Roots Racers....If we really want a Boat Racing Family, all levels of racing need support, COACHING, and respect.

I be very honest with you, I feel aluminum boats with reasonable power would be cool in Division I...

If we can get 20 entries by the end of April..not paid, just people who say they'll "RACE"...Will (Will350 Tower Project) want to run his Polaris...I love to have a RUN WHAT YOU'VE GOT 3 Hour Enduro for motors 75 HP and under....

I drove that Fat C, on Saturday, and to be honest, it was more fun than a MOD VP...Why?? Well a Mod VP burn $20-$30 an hour worth of gas, you have $20,000 in it and if you went out and crashed it, you could kill yourself... The Fat C, drove like a Go kart...Had noise, not a lot, but you could that engine "ARKING"...and I knew if I broke it it would be fixable for a coule hndred, max...I burned up maybe $3.00 worth of gas and oil...And, the speed gave me a thrill...but I knew if I tipped her over, I'd just get wet...

Bring on the Aluminum boat....when you get tired of racing, you can patrol!!!! Cool thing about aluminm boats, big sign boards n the sides, and lots of room for two or three in the boat...

[Ron Hill]

Am I going to have to own all the boats for this RACE???


We need 15 entries...Not the money, just people that say they'd come and run....It could be a "LIBERAL" Race, where everyone wins!!!

[fyremanbill]

I'm looking at an engine this weekend, still need to find an inexpensive hull to go with it.

[Boat211]

I dont want to run my nice boat but would love to find another Schiada for this.

[Ron Hill]

Bill Curtis will build anyone a Fat C motor for $3,000...and offer a one year RACING WARRANTEE...

Motor Will be;

1. 45 SS Powerhead
2. 45 SS tuner
3. steering bar 45ss style or actual 45 SS
4. Nitro gearcase... with nose cone when I make them

You may make your won with a 40-60 HP two cyclinder, with Nitro Gearcase....

Will post pictures of the ones to find next week

[whaledog]

what is a nitro gearcase .I have a small hub gearcase 50 short.
Nose cone for this avaliable from?

[vishus]

Ron,

I would be interested in racing FAT C, what would I need to race? how much should a complete boat/motor ready to race cost? email me.

thx.sid

[fyremanbill]

OK, I bought an engine. Now what? Need a hull to put it on.

[bite me]

I have been wanting to put on a GRASS ROOTS ENDURO for Mini Boats...I've wanted to do this for many years. Ross has agreed that he'll work with us to do it.

Here's what I'm thinking.....Help me out all you want...

1. Three Hours
2. Two mile course
3. 2 manitory ten minute pit stops
4. No capsuled boats
5. Red Zones like the Blue Casino 300 Enduro

Classes:

Division I

Any Legal "C" Stock Runabout APBA.
Mini GT (Tunnel with 25 HP, Aluminum prop)...
Any vee, flat bottom wooden boat up to 44 cubic inch, shifter gearcase, kneel or sit down.
Any Addictor, Schiada or Vee hull with up to 35 HP motor, any prop.

Division II

Legal Sport C


Division III

Fat C

Division IV

Any 3 cyclinder on a vee bottom hull

Division V

Super Light Tunnel: Legal APBA (What ever those rules are)...

Any interest in running this Enduro the weekend before Thanksgiving, 2006???...You could stay around and race at the Annual Thanksgiving Regatta at Blue Water Casino...

Give me feedback about the classes...this is just a rough plan...Start all the same time, each Division winner to get trophy and money...

In reference to the SLT class
i have so far got 3 boats from discovery bay area that will go,,
what are the requirements in gear? i am assuming;
kevlar ? pants and sleeves
snell approved helmet
lifeline jacket. my freind wants to know it the pker run lifeline qualifies?
jeff and danny do not have kevlar so would need to locate,

also would be a great event all same type boats as above do a
delta ditch poker run/ or a race
multiple stops
could have offshore boats run ahead and clear ea leg. to eliminate traffic (jet skis) (ski boats) etc, i can also talk to marine patrol (sheriff ) to see if they would help as they do on our big pokerruns.
discovery bay start
1st leg to union point
2nd leg to bull frog landing
3rd leg to orwood for lunch,
then short leg back to discovery bay
have a few beers, and bench race : )

[Ron Hill]

If "CUT SUITS" are required for SLT's in APBA, then our Mini Enduro would not change an APBA SAFETY RULE.

[Ron Hill]

I going to be asked that some of our readers and members, consider being a $100 sponsor for our planned GRASS ROOTS MINI ENDURO.

As soon as we finalize plans, I want at least 15 people to step up and sponsor a boat. The sponsor will get their name on the side of the boat. So, start saving your change to sponsor some grass roots racers...

Small jets will be allowed in Division I, up to 50 HP...If Ross can get approval for Personal Water Crafts, they will be included in this event...

I've had a few e-mails asking if this is A REAL EVENT??? Since when do I talk about "pie in the sky"... After all.....we still have a SPORT TO SAVE!!!!

But, we've made a ton of progress!!!! Bakersfield was AWESOME!!!!

[Jeff Akers]

Ron,
I'm interested in this race !!!!

Check your PM's, your e mail is no good:confused:

How many entrys do you have so far ???

would I have to have a co driver ? or could I just run the hole race my self?...

...I do 3hour cross country dirt bike races... I would love to do a 3hour in a boat!!!:cool:

[Ron Hill]

2006 nini enduro Hi Ron,
I may be interested in this event! I have an old DeSilva 14' (flat deck) . I've got a omc 35hp 3cyl,34.5cu.in. that I have shortend to fit the runabout. It still has the shifting gearcase on it(gear ratio-13:28 no cone) I have yet to test it NEED A PROP ! I think this could run in DIV 1.

I would need your help with a prop to get the most out of this set up !

I had origanaly intendid to yous this as a "fun" boat for the family but think it would ft right in with this event!

BTW: RPM limit on ignition is 6200 rpm
Let me know what the cost would be to have you build a prop for me.

Thanks for your time,

Jeff Akers

Seems like a Division I boat to me...

What spline does the motor have? What is the cross size (width)... of the the gearcase (The "R" measurement)...

[Jeff Akers]

Ron,
The "R" demention is 3 & 3/16"
The propshaft Diamiter is 3/4"
It has 14 splines


So how many entrys do you have so far?

Do I have to have a co driver?

Thanks !

[Ron Hill]

14 splines?? What is the motor again? What prop is on it now??

Real posssible entries:

1. Stew Townend (Fat C)
2. Dago Fast (Jim Corsaut) Sport C or Fat C
3. Bill Rider (Fat C)
4. Billy Rider (Fat C)
5. Rod Zapf (Division I) Curtis Craft Mark 58
6. Rod Zapf (Fat C)
7. Ron Hill (Fat C)
8. Bill Boyes (Fat C)
9. Broc and Chad Hill (Fat C)
10. Darrell Sorensen (C Runabout)
11. Frank Banducci (Sport C)
12. Jeff Akers (DeSilva) Division I
13. Carolyn Nelson (One of the original Snapper Chicks) Division I
14. Mickey Schwarzenbach (Fat C)
15. Nick Fenessey (Fat C)....

These are real people that I believe will race...I'm hoping for 30 boats....but...

We are building Fat C motors and will be building some new boats.... ZAPF, SCHWARZENBACH, AND FENESSEY are ordering new boats (two from Ernie Dawe) and Zapf is hoping Bill Boyes will build him one...We are building several reinforced cockpits as I write...

[CSR4C]

Add to the list:
16. Bob Williams C Stock Runabout
17. Carl the diver - C Stock Runabout

At the Oroville 100 we had 8 CSRs, if we were able to run on Sunday the 9th was ready.
Darrell

[Ron Hill]

Bob Williams, Ric Montoya along with Linda & myself are headed for Ecuador in just over a week. Can't wait, should be a real adventure!

One of our host, Dr. Roger Mosocoso. I will be racing his boat.


http://www.vincesnautico.freeservers.com/images/05vent03.jpg


They name their boats after women, I will be in Monica


http://www.vincesnautico.freeservers.com/images/05vent10.jpg




Quotes of the day.

"P.S. the marathon racers are nuts" Connie Payn

"Marathon Racers aren't nuts...it just seems that way" Ron Hill


Blue Water Casino 3 Hour, week before Thanksgiving: In the planning stage!

1. Three Hours
2. Two mile course
3. 2 manitory ten minute pit stops
4. No capsuled boats
5. Red Zones like the Blue Casino 300 Enduro

Classes:

Division I

Any Legal "C" Stock Runabout APBA.
Mini GT (Tunnel with 25 HP, Aluminum prop)...
Any vee, flat bottom wooden boat up to 44 cubic inch, shifter gearcase, kneel or sit down.
Any Addictor, Schiada or Vee hull with up to 35 HP motor, any prop.
Small Jet boat.

Division II

Legal Sport C


Division III

Fat C

Division IV

Any 3 cyclinder on a vee bottom hull

Division V

Super Light Tunnel: Legal APBA (What ever those rules are)...Personal Water Craft.

Any interest in running this Enduro the weekend before Thanksgiving, 2006???...You could stay around, for three days, and race at the Annual Thanksgiving Regatta at Blue Water Casino...

Give me feedback about the classes...this is just a rough plan...Start all the same time, each Division winner to get trophy and money...and Overall places, too.

Ron Hill
prop19@sbcglobal.net (prop19@sbcglobal.net)


Only 16 days until the Guayaquil - Vinces
Marathons, it's not only the race but the journey!

[Ron Hill]

Randy Limbeck is Sport C Kilo record holder, Harry Hardy built the boat. Harry is standing here, right now and says, "They'll bring one of two boats."


Entries Number:

18. Randy Limbeck (Legal Sport C)
19. Jack Lawson (Legal Sport C)
20. Kevin Curtis (Fat C)

[fyremanbill]

Ron, if I can find a hull, I'll run Div. 1

[Ron Hill]

Had the dog not stopped to take a dump, he'd have caught the rabbit....

I'll keep an eye out for a boat...

[Jeff Akers]

14 splines?? What is the motor again? What prop is on it now??

...

Ron,
The engine is a OMC (35hp) 3cyl, I think it is a legal SPORT C engine .

The prop thats on it now is a OMC aluminum 10 1/2 X 16 4 blade P/N176426

14 splines is what I count

[Ron Hill]

I guess, after me counting and Brad counting...The three cyclinder must be 14. And My Sport C/OMC broach IS 13....

We'd need to order a rubber hub, machine the rubber off and use the spline, as I'm not buying another $2,000 broach for Sport c/Fat C...
Ron

[Jeff Akers]

I can get one (12 bucks dealer cost) and remove the rubber myself and just send the spline to ya !

Howe's that sound?

[Ron Hill]

If I'm going to make a prop, we might as well make two, then we have something to compare.

[NERSTROM]

The spline on the 25/35 3-cylinder OMC is the same as the 25/35 hp twins. The gearcase was made by modifying one of the twin cylinder dies, all internal parts were the same. With a little work you can get this engine to perform really well. If they are still available, you may want to get one of the SST props and work it. Nice job of shortening the mid-section.

[Fast Fred]

had one of them triples, 25hp, the thing was kickin, 15", whats that like 10":cool:

[Ron Hill]

Brad at Amber Marine is going to run this WOOD Zorkan witha Mark 25 Mercury in the Mini Enduro....So, we need to add his name to the list...

This is like a Shop Tour of Amber Marine in Costa Mesa, CA... Tohatsu Dealer....You do know that at one time every MERCRUY DEALER WAS REQUIRED TO RACE A BU (B Runabout)...???

The little Johnson Race Motor is a KR-65, I think, an A racing motor...

Oh, oh..forgot...The Glastron is the James Bond Jumping Glastron...

Amber MArine has a lot of very clean used motors.... WWW.AMBERMARINE.NET (http://www.ambermarine.net/)

The last picture is the Zorkan Division I boat....

[Ron Hill]

21. Brad Menet, Division I, Zorkan, Mark 25, Amber Marine Entry!!!!

[Jeff Akers]

If I'm going to make a prop, we might as well make two, then we have something to compare.......We'd need to order a rubber hub, machine the rubber off and use the spline, as I'm not buying another $2,000 broach for Sport c/Fat C...
Ron

Ron,
I need an Address to send these to !

[fyremanbill]

Hey Ron, is the mini enduro on for sure? Also, will there be rules out that define what class various combinations of engine and hull will fit into?

[rossdbos]

The Mini Enduro is not a "for sure" as I told Ron I wanted to see at least 30 entries (legitimate) before I went further on the Event. I have both days reserved and I believe approved with the CG regarding for the BWRC Enduro '300' on October 21 so maybe the 22 (Sunday) could work. I learned a lot about those that are truly interested (which I am not saying anyone that post's isn't) and those that just love typing, so needless to say a committment from the racers goes a long way in terms of credibility to hang myself out to put on a race. It looks like this may have some "legs" but I would like to be able to approach the resort & CG any my own organization with a guarantee that race will be a success (at least not lose money).

Keep posting your intentions to race and when we reach 30, I will take the next step to make this race a reality. I won this race in 1997 with Steve Powell when I still was driving and it truly was my FAVORITE race of the year so it would mean alot to bring this race back as I did with the BWRC '300' Enduro.

Thank you for your support!
Ross Wallach, RPM Racing Ent.;)

[rilo22]

ross I believe it was 1998 that you and Steve won. Steve and I won in 1997. Bill jr. and I will have at least 1 fat c for the mini enduro and are working on a second boat. By the way I was one of your sponsers in 1998! SR.

[rossdbos]

It was 1998 as I had go home and check the trophy that Steve and I won the overall and the SST-45 division and of course you were one of the major sponsors of the RPM, Allison Marine, Hoffman boats, sponsored entry. My mistake, ...so sue me,.... JK. Hey are you and Jr. coming to Parker in April? To race, help, etc.? Let me know when you get a moment.
Ross;)

[Pop990]

I won the Calcutta

[capnzee]

Gentlemen, when speaking of "I": has any one ever saw the word "TEAM" spelled with an "I"? Never been one in team, never been one in "TEAM-WORK" and there ain't never gonna be! When my team won the National Championship in 1984- I drove, but I had an engine builder, a prop man, a boat builder and even the crew that helped me get the boat in the water to thank and that goes for all walks in life, whether racing or putting a race on! The TEAM drank a lot of champagne that night :) Capnzee

[rilo22]

Rod, you are absolutely correct. TEAM is always better than I.In 1997 we had had agreat crew chief and motorman-Jimmy Johnson! Terrific support from Rick and Dianne Hoffman.Other personal friends who helped in the pits and made our win more satisfying. THANKS for reminding team and success go hand in hand! Please let me know where and when you want me to start delivering posters. Bill Reiter sr.

[rossdbos]

Racing was always a team effort and the best times I can remember was all of us (all the teams) together helping each other get to the start line then partying like rock stars when it was over and getting up and doing again the next day, the racing was tough but the most fun I ever had. I stand firmly corrected- "when my TEAM won the Mini-Enduro in 1998, when I still was driving and it truly was my FAVORITE race of the year so it would mean alot to bring this race back as the TEAM did with the BWRC '300' Enduro."

I want to make sure no one was alienated or offended due to my insufferable
attitude.
Lastly, Pop did win the Calcutta, no team effort there just Pop, plain and simple!

Regards,
Ross;)

[Ted March]

There is no "I" in Team.
Never was!!!
Never will be!!!

Great!!!

[Grin&Barrett]

Ron & Ross,

I could possibly talk my dad, Carl Barrett, Duane & Mike Hodges into coming out for this race in Sport C. If you get a firm date let me know. Dad and I are currently repairing his sport C after last years crash. He plans on running a full schedule this year and we were talking about coming out west to take on the Region 11 guys so maybe we could make it 2 races.

Matthew Barrett

[Ron Hill]

>> Ron,
>> This thing does not work for me.
>> User name should be :Winrace
>> Password :
>> I can not get in.
>> If you should be able to have a 2-3 hour marathon race for mini boats we
>> could be interested in shipping over a couple of boats to race
>> there.Where is the race?Other races of interest?
>> I have not been racing in USA since 1987.Then also in mini boat class.
>> If rules are ok I would race myself (56) and my son (22).
>> V hull with max 35 hp and free propeller.
>> What are the rules ?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Olle Terjesen
>> www.winrace.no (http://www.winrace.no)

Anything I can do to help out here, let me know....Maybe, we could get the boats sold before they got here.... How about posting some pictures??? Please look the rules over and see what you think....Nothing is firm yet, excecept that we are planning a Mini Enduro...

[capnzee]

Ron and Ross, the Mini-Enduro is a great idea but it must be kept separate and independent of the Parker 300. I have talked to a number of the 300 enthusiasts and they like the idea of a nice, relaxed and prestigious trophy presentation on Saturday night. They would like an hour or so of drinks prior to dinner without worrying about getting up early in the morning to go racing. They would like time to enjoy the success of running in the "300"! In any event, Sunday is needed for a "blo-out" day. I have not been asked my thoughts on running the two enduros on one week-end and I wonder why anyone would want to take away from the prestige we have been trying to pump into the 300 Enduro. I for one think we need to work on the return to QUALITY of racing rather than quantity of racing. QUALITY will serve to preserve racing while quantity simply continues the long death spiral that boat racing has been in for years. We are talking about two separate races, each one demanding the respect and distinction of a stand alone race --and they will, if we give them what they deserve. Ron, to my knowledge, the mini enduro was an idea you came up with and I think you planned it as a separate event. I know that is what I had in mind for the Parker "300" and I would like to work towards that end. In most minds, last years Parker Enduro was a screaming success, as a first time attempt--why would we screw with success. As a "team", let's try to work together, improve the areas we were "light on" last year and use what we have learned in the past to help us put on two successful Enduros. Sincerely and with only boat racing at heart,:)
Rod Zapf

[fyremanbill]

I agree, and perhaps we can get the Blue Water to throw in some money just like the 300. Would make it much more relaxing to only bring 1 boat to each event.

[rossdbos]

First and foremost, Relax! I was throwing it out there as I already have the CG permit in process for the BWRC '300' Enduro and it includes Saturday and Sunday (for the BWRC only to be used in case of wind or weather issues). Now, if you want it to be it's own event, separate from the BWRC Enduro, I have no problem with that but again Ron wanted the event to be done this year and since I have everything going for the Enduro it seemed logical to use Sunday for the Mini-Enduro. I have to see if the Bluewater has anything open otherwise it may have to be next year or move to another location.
Ross

[CSR4C]

First and foremost, Relax! I was throwing it out there as I already have the CG permit in process for the BWRC '300' Enduro and it includes Saturday and Sunday (for the BWRC only to be used in case of wind or weather issues). Now, if you want it to be it's own event, separate from the BWRC Enduro, I have no problem with that but again Ron wanted the event to be done this year and since I have everything going for the Enduro it seemed logical to use Sunday for the Mini-Enduro. I have to see if the Bluewater has anything open otherwise it may have to be next year or move to another location.
Ross

I would like to see the Mini-Enduro as part of the BWRC Enduro. This way I would be able to see the Big Boat enduro. Should cut expences, since both events will be under the same insurance. Also won't have to fork out the 07 APBA membership in November.

Darrell Sorensen
Region 11

[Boat211]

My only thought is that it would cut down travel time for us Nor-Cal folks.

[Ron Hill]

Bottom Line, as I see it...The Blue Water Casino 300 is really a VINTAGE BOAT RACE, as there aren't really any new boats being built for this race...that I know of, anyway. Some Division 6 boats are new, like the Nordic was last year.... There will be some HIGH DOLLAR BOATS and I feel, from talking to many, that we will have many more entries this coming year....

But, to me, what will make the Blue Water Casino an "Event" IS a relaxed ATMOSPHERE. BY RACING ON SATURDAY, WE HAVE SAID, "If you can't afford to not work Fiday, you'll have to hustle to make the race Saturday....and we want Sunday for a "BLOW OUT DAY"... Events have sit down dinners at the end...Turth is, mnay MINI BOAT OWNERS will also have boat in th 300, but I feel, the MIni Boat Enduro should really be for the "LOWER BUDGET, FAMILY ORIENTED, RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG, RACING.

We ran two boats in the 300, last year. I plan to run one this year. I plan four boats in the Mini Enduro....If, we try to run these two events on one weekend, I know our four Mini Boats will drop to two....

BUT, HAVING SAID THAT, Maybe, both events need each other...as we could save the insurance and sanction fees, a three hour Mini Enduro could start at 10 Sunday and be done by 1:00, and if we had to run the 300, on Sunday, both races would take less time an a NORMAL BOAT RACE...

Truth is, I want both boat races to be "Stand Alone" events, but, maybe, to get the Mini Enduro going, this year, we should run them together...I can see people being able to borrow life jackets, use left over gas....Drivers who took out one day memberships could co-drive in the Mini Enduro

Ok, I've convinced myself...Saturday for the BIG BOATS and Sunday for the Mini Boats....Saturday Night Trophies in the casino....Mini's trophies in th pits....

[Knuckle Head]

The only problem I foresee running them back to back is that after we get done WINNING the 300 it might be tough getting my helmet on with the hang-over I going to have ;) ;) ;)

[rossdbos]

Rod, Ron, and anyone else that is interested in discussing the Mini Enduro, I have a GNRA meeting at my shop on Sunday at 9:30 a.m. it should last about an hour maybe an hour and half but after that I would be willing to spend some time (an hour to an hour and a half) discussing the mini-enduro.
My shop address is:
7723 Somerset Blvd.
Paramount, CA 90723
phone # 562-633-6200
or call me at 310-318-4012;)

[capnzee]

Ross, I am out of town and cannot make the meeting. My only comment is, I don't want to see the mini boats "driving" the "300" Enduro. Racers running in the "300" are spending BIG BUCKS for this race. They deserve the very best in race conditions, trophy presentation, etc. to make it short, THEY DESERVE A QUALITY RACE in the same perspective as the old Parker Enduro, the INDIANAPOLIS OF BOAT RACING. With no offense meant to any one who has posted on this subject; running the two races together so that the mini-boats can watch the 300 Enduro on Saturday, then race on Sunday simply doesn't make quality sense! Too much can happen at a boat race and cramming doesn't cut it! Do not screw with last years success. Donot cram quantity for quality. If I am over-ruled on this one, and you decide to bring the mini boats in, let me make one final plea: Run the Parker 300 as if it was a stand-a-lone race. Start the boats on schedule, at 10:00 on Saturday morning. If all goes well, have an early evening "open bar" for the "300" crews followed by a sit-down dinner and an awards presentation. Sunday morning they can enjoy themselves. If it doesn't go well and Sunday is needed to run the "300", then use the same program as Saturday morning and start or re-start the "300" at 10:00. If at the end of all this, the mini boats have time to run their race, let'm go! I am currently working on a quality poster, a quality program and I will not continue working towards this end if we are not going to run a quality race for the "300" Enduro. I am not willing to take a chance that "all will go well" and "everything will work out"!
I love the big boats and I love the small boats but running the two together is too much of a gamble for the sake of saving travel money or any other excuse for combining the two races on consecutive days. :( Rod Zapf

[rossdbos]

Rod, Thank you for your opinion. I have made a copy to use during the discussion (if anyone interested shows up). I too would like to not have "back to back" races but from an economical standpoint and the fact that I already have secured a CG permit for both days it makes sense. Nothing has been decided yet!

Alternatively, maybe we plan this one correctly as a "stand alone" event for Early November 2007. As much as I would like to do it this year, I still have 8 races including the Enduro and the 60th Annual Thanksgiving Regatta complete with a parade through town, culminating in a "black tie" awards banquet on Saturday night. BTW, I had already requested the use of the banquet room for the BWRC '300' Enduro Trophy presentations on Saturday night.

Let me know if anyone is going to show up on Sunday after the GNRA meeting otherwise I will make plans to do family stuff.

Thanks,

Ross;)

[vishus]

Ron/Russ/Rod,

I work for a OFFICE distribution channel for copier and printer technologies (copier company). I often have access to B&W and COLOR copiers/printers. I can help out with the production of programs and flyers/posters. I will even be willing to purchase some of the media out of pocket if needed. Whatever we need to do to "save the sport".

I am going to RACE in INDIO (FATC). I am also going to RACE the ENDURO. I will not be a big $$ racer, WE will be a grass roots team. I come from a boating/fishing family. We have been around MODVP in its heyday, always as a spectator. NOW we are going to RACE!! I am soliciting various sponsors so that I can run my personal lake boat in the PARKER 300. EVEN if I receive NO sponsor money, we will run my old MODVP with stock Merc OB in the ENDURO!!! I want to RACE, I was a patrol boat in the first race and it KILLED me, I was itching to chase everyone who went by me... this year WE will RACE... Ron Hill is being VERY GENEROUS and is going to give me the opportunity to race in INDIO/FATC. I hope that I can make a decent showing and get my own FATC to race the series ( or as many races as my personal $$ can allow)...

I am not certain where the mini boats fit in the ENDURO, I just want to go RACING...


see all of you that go to INDIO, and can't wait for the PARKER 300!!!

Sid Castle "VISHUS RACING"
602-570-3716

[Ron Hill]

Since we have been making progress on our California C's, I keep thinking, maybe, just maybe, we should have a SMALL MINI ENDURO.

Maybe more like an Antique Outboard Meet....and "Run What you Brung"..for one hour. maybe has some Nostalgia Inboards race, a few kneeldowns.

Am I the only one that wants to see a GRASS ROOTS MINI ENDURO????

Here were the rules???

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif 2006 Mini Enduro: Blue Water Casino
I have been wanting to put on a GRASS ROOTS ENDURO for Mini Boats...I've wanted to do this for many years. Ross has agreed that he'll work with us to do it.

Here's what I'm thinking.....Help me out all you want...

1. Three Hours
2. Two mile course
3. 2 manitory ten minute pit stops
4. No capsuled boats
5. Red Zones like the Blue Casino 300 Enduro

Classes:

Division I

Any Legal "C" Stock Runabout APBA.
Mini GT (Tunnel with 25 HP, Aluminum prop)...
Any vee, flat bottom wooden boat up to 44 cubic inch, shifter gearcase, kneel or sit down.
Any Addictor, Schiada or Vee hull with up to 35 HP motor, any prop.

Division II

Legal Sport C


Division III

Fat C

Division IV

Any 3 cyclinder on a vee bottom hull

Division V

Super Light Tunnel: Legal APBA (What ever those rules are)...

Any interest in running this Enduro the weekend before Thanksgiving, 2006???...You could stay around and race at the Annual Thanksgiving Regatta at Blue Water Casino...

Give me feedback about the classes...this is just a rough plan...Start all the same time, each Division winner to get trophy and money...

[Fast Fred]

:cool:

[RiverDave]

I am still interested in racing my 10'er in this.. I'm a little dissapointed on the 35HP rule for the Schiada being that I will more then likely end up with another 40HP tohatsu, but I'm more in it for the "fun" and just getting out there and doing it.

If this deal gets finalized please count me in (barring any major catastrophes in my life that would prevent me from finishing the boat in time, but all looks good so far)

I talked to Lee & Stan at Schiada, and they said they would put together a 10'er and race as well.

RD