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MJR

08-05-2007, 08:19 PM

Tim Seebold Wins the Powerboat St. Louis Grand Prix

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Tim Seebold Wins the Powerboat St. Louis Grand Prix.

“Sometimes being lucky is better than being good,” said Tim Seebold

At the checkered flag it Tim Bowden and Terry Rinker who finished first and second respectively with Tim Seebold coming in third.

But after the race, ChampBoat officials accessed one lap penalties on both Bowden and Rinker. This allowed Seebold to win this third St. Louis Grand Prix in the past four years.

After the penalties were assessed, Shaun Torrente took second place and Wyatt Nelson finished third. Unlike NASCAR, the ChampBoat series accesses its penalties at the end of the race.

Bowden took a penalty for hitting a buoy and Rinker was penalized for causing the first race accident.

For his part, Tim Seebold acknowledged this isn’t the best way to win a race.

“An old boat racer told me to take everyone you get because you are going to lose some the very same way,” said Seebold.

Mike Seebold, Tim’s brother once had a St. Louis Grand Prix race championship pulled from him after his boat was disqualified for weight violation.

Tim Seebold had the race pole and took the early lead but not without consequence.

“My boat almost turned on over and the motor took a shot of water,” said Seebold. “The boat was never the same.”

But it did not appear to have any problems in the early laps. There were four restarts early in the race due to race accidents. Seebold was able to take the lead on the first two restarts but in the last two restarts, Rinker was too powerful and secured the lead. Rinker appeared to be in command when he nearly flipped his boat on lap 28. This allowed Bowden to take the lead and cruise to the apparent victory.

For Tim Seebold the win was bittersweet. This past February, his grandfather, Bill Seebold Sr. pasted away. His grandmother was at the race and was one of the first to congratulate her grandson after the victory.

“We dedicated this race to my Grandfather,” said Seebold. “Maybe this win was meant to be.”

In Champ II final, Glynn Matthews took with win with Kevin Ladd in second followed by Doug Young in third. Kelly Kidwell from Troy Missouri took sixth place.

Photo and Story by Angela Jouglard & Kevin Proot / St. Louis Motor Racing News

Miss BK

08-05-2007, 09:08 PM

oh wow. Wonder if there's a little t e n s i o n in the pits tonight...:eek:

Thanks for the update Marc! Sounds wild!

Wonder what went on with Terry? I didn't see Mike Seebold in any of the running shots on the stlouis.com site. Was he in one of the earlier crashes??

Didn't see Page in any of those pics either....

Guess we'll have to wait til tommorrow to get the full story....

Thanks again!

DKL

08-05-2007, 09:24 PM

What about the 45's ???

Miss BK

08-05-2007, 09:33 PM

Couldn't find the full results, but did find some pictures:

http://www.stlgrandprix.net/gallery07.htm

Looks like Brian Normand was one of the boats that got wet....
http://www.stlgrandprix.net/07images/IMG_6521.jpg

f1dreamer9

08-06-2007, 06:07 AM

SST 45 Final
1. Scott Economy

2. Dan Orchard

3. Bud Nollman

4. Butch Ott

5. Tiffany McKinley

6. Rodney Schuh

7. Chris Hagerl

8. Jason Nelson

I may be off on 5 thru 8. Jason Nelson started on the pole and jumped to an early lead until Amanda Hagerl spun causing a restart. On the restart Dan Orchard jumped in the lead and led approximately 20 -22 laps with Scott Economy holding down 2nd and Bud Nollman holding the third spot with Tiffany McKinley all over his transom for about 10 laps.

As the leaders approached lapped traffic, Jason Nelson and Chris Hagerl were having a dog fight for position and Orchard was having to drive hard to make the pass which let Scott Economy close up on Orchard. Economy slipped to the inside of the lapped boats and Orchard was forced wide letting Economy take the lead, which he held to checkers.

Butch Ott made up the most ground starting 11th and moving up to 4th. At one point he was at Nollman's transom, but Bud would not give him any room on the inside and held on for the third.

SST 120 Final
1. Glyn Matthews - ran off and hid from everyone.

2. Kevin Ladd

3. Doug Young

catndahats

08-06-2007, 11:25 AM

Great reporting F1dreamer9,

Sounds like super racing in the 45's.

Can't wait to see the boats run in Orange next month!

Nate

Pitboss

08-06-2007, 01:04 PM

sst60racer

08-06-2007, 01:04 PM

Mike Seebold barrel rolled on the right hander, it was a crash fest and alot of bad blood going on was a very exciting Champ race the best I have seen in years, The 120 race was perfectly run no accidents and good driven by all.

Chris Waalen

DKL

08-06-2007, 01:12 PM

Did the Flemings have the new boat up there? what about the rest of the Texas guys? Miffco?

Oh,,, also Congratulations to Scott Economy 23 for the win in 45

Miss BK

08-06-2007, 01:21 PM

Miss BK: No there wasnt and "little tension" in the pits after the Champ results were announced. Would more like call it Major after they sorted it all out.
Terry Rinker and Chris got to banging boats in the 1st turn..tore Chris's boat up enough that he went to backup. Put a hole in Terry's side which they duck-taped over. Some harsh words were spoken.
Mike Seebold barrel rolled on the horrible right hander they built in the course. Lots of restarts in the final. Mark Major totally destroyed his own boat testing on Sat am. they were salvaging pieces off it last I saw!
Had a major roll over just in front of judges stand that was so close to shore that the driver was able to step out of boat and wade in!

The F-2s ran a clean incident race with no restarts. The unusual layout of this 1.25 mile road course caused lots of problems. F-2 race was shortened to 25 laps because some teams claimed they didnt have enough fuel due to length of course.
Just thought you needed to know..
Pitboss(77)

Wow, glad nobody was hurt! Thank God (again) for safety capsules! Sorry to hear about all the wrecked boats, tho. Thanks for the report!

Mark Major's deal sounds like deja vu.....didn't this happen at the last race too?

Bet Laurie Vidal was busy last night reminding the guys that life means much more than getting wins...& things certainly could have been worse!

Boy, I sure would have hated to be the race director of that one.....yuck. :rolleyes: :confused:

Scott23

08-06-2007, 01:32 PM

Prop is what put the hole in the deck of Rinkers boat. All the blades on his prop where folded over. Chris put a different prop on and rear cowling off his back up boat and ran his original boat......

sst60racer

08-06-2007, 02:31 PM

I will post pics of Mark Majors boat later tonite when he barrel rolled that back of his boat looked like a tootsie roll wrapper twisted up! As for J. Flemmings new boat what a piece of Craftsmanship the boat is beautiful, IF I have to get a new boat Jason will have my money, when he gets it dialed in watch out!

Chris

PS- WIth all the accidents no one was hurt, another thing the APBA insurance guy was there wonder what he thought?

Miss BK

08-06-2007, 03:16 PM

PS- WIth all the accidents no one was hurt, another thing the APBA insurance guy was there wonder what he thought?

Bet he was just glad they only deal with liability and injury and don't cover the "collision & reimbursement" part!

tahawk

08-06-2007, 07:07 PM

brian norman barrelled rolled on lap 4, on restart mike seebold rolled on lap 6 both at the right hand-er ,on restart rinker & chris f. hit 1st turn rolled chris f put on extra rear cowling & both restarted race. rinker got lap penalty causing reck and then they said bowden hit rite turn bouy

tahawk

08-06-2007, 07:09 PM

Bet he was just glad they only deal with liability and injury and don't cover the "collision & reimbursement" part!
brian norman barrelled rolled on lap 4, on restart mike seebold rolled on lap 6 both at the right hand-er ,on restart rinker & chris f. hit 1st turn rolled chris f put on extra rear cowling & both restarted race. rinker got lap penalty causing reck and then they said bowden hit rite turn bouy

DKL

08-06-2007, 08:23 PM

Welcome to BRF Amanda, lively bunch over here:) I wish I could have made it to race with all of you ,how many 45's total and do you know the places they finished. Will you be updating our site?

Thanks
Doug 124

amanda31684

08-06-2007, 08:31 PM

There were twelve 45's..I don't know the exact results but I'm sure Chris or I will have them posted soon on the PTT site.

I know we will be posting Trenton results, followed by the series standing sometime this week. We should also have some new articles up this week as well.

Ron Hill

08-07-2007, 12:34 PM

We are "THRASHING" trying to get our NEW REVOLUTION on the water tomorrow!!!

Wouldn't loan us a prop would you???

DKL

08-07-2007, 02:39 PM

Isn't that like saying the shoemakers kids don't have any shoes to wear:D

Theres 2 45 props on ebay right now,don't know much about them

amanda31684

08-07-2007, 02:58 PM

We are "THRASHING" trying to get our NEW REVOLUTION on the water tomorrow!!!

Wouldn't loan us a prop would you???

Those Revolutions are sweet boats:) I definitely want one! Just need a test drive first.

I would send a prop your way if I had one worth sending:) That is something we are lacking..;)

Ron Hill

08-08-2007, 12:48 AM

Scott just sent me a PM telling me I have a good prop already....Hmmm..

Anyway, I was OPC Chairman in 1999. I selected my Commission from FRIENDS and had a ppointed, an old racer friend, Norn Schwab, as my Chief/head Referee...Norm and I had discussed the OPC Over Lap rule and both agreed we'd like it changed...

So, number one agenda item, for Ron Hill NEW OPC CHAIR...Was OPC Over Lap Rule Change...I had like 9 commissioners...Like Eric Johnson, Vince Voisin, Tim Seebold, Jim Nerstrom.... I thought we'll talk this over a little and we'll change the RULE...My meeting started at 9 Florida time, 6 California time...by 9:10...This Commission had already voted 9-0 NOT to change the OVER LAP RULE.... Norn and I are looking at each other like, OK, Ron...Wha't your next act...Set yourself on FIRE???

My NUMBER ONE AGENDA ITEMS GOES DOWN 9-0...Long *** day ahead, I figure!!!

Oh well, it ain't been changed since then either...

f1dreamer9

08-08-2007, 06:52 AM

What was your proposal to change the overlap rule? It may be worth looking into. However, the officials in the patrol boats have a tough job, been there done that.

Also, we as drivers sometimes have to drive with our head and our right foot. The boat with the overlap does have control on the course, but at the same time why cut the boat off making a move on your inside, especially early in the race and at the same time the over taking boat has to decide if taking the chance is worth the outcome.

Another thing that bothers me is the radio people instructing their drivers to "slam the door" when there isn't enough room to overtake the boat without exchanging paint chips or worse.

It boils down to drivers using their heads a bit and know where your at in the race. Last few laps in a race lead boat may want to take the chance and the overtaking boat had better know where he/she is in the race.

We, SST-45, are a bit short on boats right now and the last thing we need is to needlessly take out our competitors needlessly. By the way this has nothing to do with St. Louis, I didn't see incident between the ladies only the outcome, I'm speaking in general terms, not on a particular race.

Have fun racn'

tthibodaux

08-08-2007, 07:11 AM

I agree with you on the radio issue 100%. However, lets talk about the real issue. A lap boat should realize he or she is NOT racing a boat for position and give room and or back off when a lead lap boat comes around to LAP them.

To drive off in the corner and force the issue racing for position is one thing but to tangle with a lead lap boat when your being lapped is another.

Way to may times a lead lap boat is caught up in a crash because a lap boat has no idea whats going on around them.

Got a blue mark all the way down the side of my boat 3 weeks ago in Bryan from a boat I was putting a lap down and I was LEADING the race??.

Just my opinion, not trying to piss anyone off.:eek:

f1dreamer9

08-08-2007, 07:27 AM

I think we are more in agreement here than we realize. I'm with you on lapped boats giving the leaders room to race. However, as far as St. Louis was concerned, the particular incident that started this thread, the boats were on the lead lap, first few laps into the race. I have no dog in this fight.

Let me say I have been on both ends of the over lap rule in question. Drivers need to be aware of their situation. Too many times I've seen drivers take themselves out of a race, however if they would let the race come to them they could have been able to improve their position instead of finding themselves losing a bunch of positions, or worse sitting on the trailer.

jose jr21.

08-08-2007, 07:56 AM

The incident between the ladies in St. Louis was a racing deal. Neither boat had any damage, it was good hard racing. Whether overtaking another boat or having the overlap, drivers have to remember that the throttle works both ways.

tiffanymck

08-08-2007, 08:16 AM

So...Kankakee should be a good race! :)

DKL

08-08-2007, 08:47 AM

Welcome to BRF Jose, lots of good people on here and more coming over every day. Lots of good information and lively reasonable discussion among us racers new and old and race fans from allover. Hope you visit often.

So how did that 2.4 feel behind you instead of that 45?:D :D

Doug
#124

Miss BK

08-08-2007, 08:59 AM

I have always hated that "cockpit to cockpit" rule. How many boats have been destroyed using those three words? All the other categories have "boat length" passing rules. The "cockpit to cockpit" came about when OPC drivers complained they were now inside capsules and couldn't see out.

Ron said a long time ago, and I totally agree, "Why have a rule that will cause a crash as written?"

Luckily, we don't have as many crashes as we could have; but not because the rule changed ---- but because drivers started using more sense when in these situtations.

My 2 cents (the same 2 cents I had back in 1999. :D )

jose jr21.

08-08-2007, 09:13 AM

Hey Doug,

I am always visiting here, I just never post. The 120 felt great, I accomplished my goal by getting some seat time, finishing the race and bringing the boat back in one piece. I was a lot more comfortable after the final Sunday than I was Saturday morning (wish I could do the weekend all over again). Now in Kankakee I will race it much harder and hopefully get to the front soon. Everything just happens a little quicker compare to the 45, but I wont forget about the 45! I love the 45 and I plan on racing both boats in Kankakee.

Will you be at Orange?

tiffanymck

08-08-2007, 09:53 AM

Haha Jose, arent you supposed to be working? ;)

Scott23

08-08-2007, 11:00 AM

Know if there were pics taken at that race of the 45's??????

cnunez55

08-08-2007, 01:12 PM

I like the way the overlap rule is! You just have to know who will give you a lane and who won't. I think that we as drivers have to use common sense on the first turn and commitment pin. If you salm the door on someone there, alot of boats on your out side are put into a blind collision. If your the one getting cut off you should have seen it coming and backed out. You normally only get the door slammed on you in the first corner if the other boat thinks you are faster.

I also think that coming from 45 to 120 you have to realize that boats are going into turns from all angles because they dont just run bouy to bouy. They take alot move of the track up. The champs are even worse. You can't run strait at the bouy and make a 90 degree tun with out going out about 2 lanes. The bout that is 4 lanes out and reaching the corner at the same time can leave you one lane and because of your angle andyour right foot your know ontop of him. Just something to think about!

As far as lap boats go, unless your battiling for position GET OUT OF THE WAY!

jose jr21.

08-08-2007, 01:36 PM

Great post Curtis.
The longer you race in a class, the more you know about each one of your competitors. You know who will try to stick it in there if you leave a lane, you know who will slam you and you know who will leave a lane or back out if in a compromising position or who can hold a lane in traffic. You have better judgement depending on who it is your racing, I think the overlap rule is as good as it can get, no matter what the rules are, drivers still gotta drive the boats.

See everyone in Kankakee.

P.S. Yes I am working Tiff :D

Miss BK

08-08-2007, 02:05 PM

I like the way the overlap rule is! You just have to know who will give you a lane and who won't.

:D LOL

I guess we can be thankful our sport has shrivelled so we can learn every driver's quirks before our boat gets totalled. LOL :rolleyes:
This rule is not so bad as long as MOST drivers don't take it literally. But you will always have those who do.

This never would have worked back in the days when we had 65+ entries.
Referee George May implored us back then to "MAINTAIN YOUR LANE". And that's what kept boats on the water - RACING each other - instead of taking each other out.

When you have a rule that has to have things added to it, such as, "...the longer you race, the more you'll learn about other drivers... " or "....but you have to use common sense" or "....you just have to know ahead of time what the other driver will do", then the rule is inherently flawed. Drivers that have never seen each other won't have the extra knowledge needed to play this rule safely. It has caused a lot of destruction - legally.

JMO.

cnunez55

08-08-2007, 02:22 PM

Things have changed alot in the last 10 years. I remember my first race in augusta when we had 27 boats in 120 on saturday mornning and 13 when they called the raceon lap 13 i believe. In New Roads two years ago we had 28 boats start the finnal and 28 finnished. there were boats 3 wide every where and some how jr and shaun madeit arond the "little circle" and laped the entire field. Drivers are alot safer know. I think that all the new safty equipment has made us aware of the dangers that have been present , just overlooked. I am guilty of this aswell. In port netches I hade a problem with my air system and couldn't use it. I acttually drove harder because I wasn't worried if it was going to work and I didn't have to disconect it if I turned over. I am thinking about going back to basics and maybe I'll take a flag home. LOL.

tthibodaux

08-08-2007, 05:15 PM

Hey Nunez, why didn't you go tell those lap boats to get out of my way??:D Thought we were friends!

Miss BK

08-08-2007, 05:38 PM

Things have changed alot in the last 10 years...... Drivers are alot safer know. I think that all the new safty equipment has made us aware of the dangers that have been present , just overlooked.

That is my point. You are right - the drivers themselves are making adjustments to that rule because they know the outcome -if used as written- isn't going to be pretty. We are lucky that most (most but not all) drivers will take into account the potential of causing a nasty wreck and will not purposely "slam" someone when they've made the mental mistake of bearing out too far wide, allowing someone to stick their nose on their inside ... ::snicker snicker::

A better rule would require a driver to better protect the inside lane BEFORE another boat is given a chance to take it over. If the lead boat loses the lane for whatever reason (wide entrance,to the pin, etc)... then he must deal with the consequences of giving up his lane.

I'm just saying that since most drivers are adjusting how they drive during an overlap anyway, then why not fix the rule to match thier good common sense?

It's also more attractive to the new or prospective racers, who'd like rules written in ways that helps to keep their equipment in one piece. Door slamming is fun to watch and causes all sorts of excitement for the fans, but that "crash factor" isn't worth it when most competitors can't afford to buy a replacement boat.

We have to think about how fast we are losing teams due to atrition. I know George May was always thinking about the consequences and that's why he made us all fight upright.

cnunez55

08-08-2007, 06:16 PM

The rule is what makes it fun. I myself, is one that can't afford an accident but will risk it to get respect. There are 2 reasons why people come to a race. to see the fastest boats and those who push it to the max. If you take away the "BALLS FACTOR" 2,000 dollors will not go as fast as 20,000 dollors becase it's not knowing whats around the next corner that makes it hard!. The rule is the only thing keeping "the poor guy's" in contintion. I will give up a boat or 2 to know I was able to beet the best!!!!

I understand your point but I also use to love 1 turn pins in a knee rider. I almost killed a guy because of this overlap rule in San Diago and it took me a long time to get over it. A lot less time than it took him. I think that this rule is nessasary to advance the sport the way it's written.

Wyatt was the only one I seen that went by the rule like it was the law. I respected him for that. He wasn't affraid to crash and everyone knew it. I think if you are getting into a new class you should study your commpitition just like in foot ball. If your not willing to do the leg work you deserve to wreck!

sst60racer

08-08-2007, 06:38 PM

Well Said Curtis!

Chris

Brian Burkhardt

08-08-2007, 08:27 PM

Why Are We Starting This Here!!!!

Who Was Setup For This Type Of Course???

Was It On The Sanction????

Burkhardt

Miss BK

08-08-2007, 08:29 PM

Wyatt was the only one I seen that went by the rule like it was the law. I respected him for that. He wasn't affraid to crash and everyone knew it.

No, there are a lot of guys like that. Guido is one. You can hear the grumblings from drivers on his circuit about how they feel about his driving tactics - they don't like it. There are more on the Champ circuit too. Some only race once in a while -- you'd never have a chance to study them.

I've spent a lot of time in the pits doing boat repairs after "cockpit to cockpit" altercations. Too many to list. At St Louis one year, I had a cow after a racer - who was a condender for the win - was taken OUT of the race after one other SLOWER guy swept wide then slammed the door on him, taking him out for the weekend.

Do you think the faster guy got the penalty? He sure did! Why? Because, despite the amazing SPEED he had on that other boat, he wasn't "Cockpit To Cockpit" at the time of contact. It was the dumbest rule I'd ever seen.

That racer doesn't race anymore because the expenses got to be too much.

I know none of this is going to change the rule anyhow - that's been tried and failed. But it always is good to bring it up say, every 5 years or so - just to get people to understand they're really not supposed to read the rule the way its written. :D

BK~

Miss BK

08-08-2007, 08:30 PM

They've had a right hander at St Louis for a long time - 4-5 years at least. They usually call it the "Dog Leg" turn.

sst60racer

08-08-2007, 08:59 PM

The Right handed at St. Louis was a true set the boat right handed and believe it or not the boats turn great right, at first I was a little tenative about it but after testing it was no problem! The right hander that they use to have was just a soft Dog leg, but you know that! The right hander made it really exciting for the fans watching it was pretty cool.

Chris

Miss BK

08-08-2007, 09:34 PM

You mean a right handed turn like they do on the UIM F1 circuit? I didn't get to go to St Louis this year so I missed all the action. Sounds like it was crazy. :eek: But the Italian driver should have felt right at home with turning right then left! :)

sst60racer

08-08-2007, 10:15 PM

Yep the course was set up like a road course it was fun! You missed one weekend full of drama and good driving! I think the right hander added alot and really tired you out with all the turns we had I lost 12lbs racing there last weekend! It was so hot!!!!

Chris

cnunez55

08-09-2007, 12:03 AM

It sounds like some one was to heavy. klol

sst60racer

08-09-2007, 06:16 AM

What you mean by that Curtis?

Chris

tthibodaux

08-09-2007, 06:20 AM

What you mean by that Curtis?

ChrisLook at the time of Nunez's post! Sounds like the Bud Light talkin!!:eek: Not even sure he knows what he was tryin to say.:D

cnunez55

08-09-2007, 09:36 AM

If you lost 12 Ibs your boat should run better. I knew there was a reason I needed to go.lol.

sst60racer

08-09-2007, 10:02 AM

I wasnt heavy at all before the race with no fuel I weighed 1103 most of us had to add alot of extra fuel to because the length of the course, I didnt get to race the heat race because of starter issue! My boat is quite light would be lighter if I took out my air bottle and took the 12 pounds out that I put in cause it was quite windy.

Chris

Scott23

08-09-2007, 10:17 AM

It wasn't that windy!!!! :)

sst60racer

08-09-2007, 10:30 AM

I will re word that when we ran it was gusty on the long straight aways!

Chris

Scott23

08-09-2007, 10:37 AM

I'm just playin. It was pretty windy at times!!!! It was nice meeting you Chris. I am gonna try and make the Orange race.

sst60racer

08-09-2007, 10:54 AM

The Orange Race will be my last one until next year! You coming to nationals?

Chris

Scott23

08-09-2007, 10:59 AM

Not this year. Already have plans for the Champ race in Windsor. 5 minutes from my house!!!!

Shaun Torrente

08-09-2007, 03:01 PM

Why Are We Starting This Here!!!!

Who Was Setup For This Type Of Course???

Was It On The Sanction????

Burkhardt

what A random comment..... especially from someone who was not there and is not supporting the series... Nothing wrong with something a little different... change is scary for some but i think you will get over it considering you were not there and and did not have to setup for it which means, heaven for bid to turn the wheel to the left and RIGHT... wow that took hours for us to change on the boats, i mean we did not know what to do:rolleyes:

Now for something that matters... overlap cna definatley be a problem especially the way some drive

Shaun

sst60racer

08-09-2007, 05:16 PM

what A random comment..... especially from someone who was not there and is not supporting the series... Nothing wrong with something a little different... change is scary for some but i think you will get over it considering you were not there and and did not have to setup for it which means, heaven for bid to turn the wheel to the left and RIGHT... wow that took hours for us to change on the boats, i mean we did not know what to do:rolleyes:

Now for something that matters... overlap cna definatley be a problem especially the way some drive

Shaun

Well worded Shaun I was worried about the right handed at first but it wasnt that bad at all it really added a twist because boats were passed on that right hander! Good job at that race by the way I felt bad for Todd! Also thanks for the shirts the younger kid with me really thought that was great!
On another note I passed Donnie Lick after the third lap whats up with Donnie his he still getting use to all that power? Hope you do good in Warsaw I cant make it to that one.

Chris Waalen

cnunez55

08-09-2007, 10:01 PM

what A random comment..... especially from someone who was not there and is not supporting the series... Nothing wrong with something a little different... change is scary for some but i think you will get over it considering you were not there and and did not have to setup for it which means, heaven for bid to turn the wheel to the left and RIGHT... wow that took hours for us to change on the boats, i mean we did not know what to do:rolleyes:

Now for something that matters... overlap cna definatley be a problem especially the way some drive

Shaun

I remember someone promising us a right hander in Mexico and I practiced for a week and lost a rear cowlin in the prosses. I hade to drive to ohio and back to make the race and I felt ripped of when there were only lefts. A right hander only adds to your skill and resume in the future.

I hope to see youand your dad soon Shaun.

Shaun Torrente

08-10-2007, 01:31 PM

I remember someone promising us a right hander in Mexico and I practiced for a week and lost a rear cowlin in the prosses. I hade to drive to ohio and back to make the race and I felt ripped of when there were only lefts. A right hander only adds to your skill and resume in the future.

I hope to see youand your dad soon Shaun.

We miss you guys too, hope to see you soon, are you goin to any races this year outside of texas?? Man i miss your dad he was one of a kind like my dad

Shaun

cnunez55

08-10-2007, 04:19 PM

We miss you guys too, hope to see you soon, are you goin to any races this year outside of texas?? Man i miss your dad he was one of a kind like my dad

Shaun

I doubt it. I plan on making some next year.It seems like every time I start getting ahead something comes up to drain me! My ex keeps getting my powerhead money.LOL. Yea they kinda grow on ya after awhile. If only they could agree with their drivers.LOL. Try to bring one home for Fred and me this year. I'm tiered of telling t thibidoux how good you are!

GOOD LUCK in Ky.

spn43

08-10-2007, 05:37 PM

Why Are We Starting This Here!!!!

Who Was Setup For This Type Of Course???

Was It On The Sanction????

Burkhardt

OMG????:confused:
LOL....LOL... :eek:
Why would you care??????? Do you support Champ Boat Series??????
Note to Champ officials; next time call Brian Burkhardt for permission…..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Right hander was awesome, it’s just too bad I had electrical issues whole weekend and only 12V trim worked if it was not stuck every time I would try 24V…..it sucked….I couldn’t get out of my own way in dog leg and out of every turn, but I hope to see right hand turn at every race it’s just soooo much fun.

jose jr21.

08-10-2007, 08:06 PM

:eek: Why Are We Starting This Here!!!!

Who Was Setup For This Type Of Course???

Was It On The Sanction????

Burkhardt

I never knew boats had the capability to turn right!!!!!

DKL

08-10-2007, 08:27 PM

:eek: Call me a rookie if you want,but You mean to tell me my boat will turn right if I want it too????, I was wondering why the cables went down both sides of the boat like that:confused:

I hear it's a company policy with UPS that drivers are to set up their routes to utilize only right hand turns in the course of their daily deliveries. Something about it saves fuel or is more efficient.

C'mon Brian!!!!:D :D :D

Ron Hill

08-10-2007, 10:35 PM

UPS may only make right turns on their route, but look at their NASCAR point standings... Has anyone ever collected on a UPS insurance deal???

I bought the Evinrude out of Massachusetts, six weeks later when UPS delivered it, it had some MAJOR damage... It was only insured for $100 but the shipping was $130...So, UPS agreed to give me $230 94100 INSURANCE AND $130 SHIPPING) for the damage. Then, UPS sent the $230 to the guy I bought the motor from and I never got a DIME....

Turn right for UPS??? I was thinking LEFT... RC boat turn right! )And they turn right for no reason as they run left hand props...)...

Oh well, I'll straighten out the world tomorrow!

Havasu was RACED ON a four mile "BOOMERANG" course, we raced 128 boats at a time for four hour each day....That right hander was fun, especially when Renator Molinari came around INSIDE the "DANGER" bouy and raked off both his gearcases...Or the time Bobby Switzer was leading and went INSIDE the "DANGER BOUY" and got like a24 lap penalty...

How about Benny Robertson making the right hander a Washington, North Carolina, 1997, at about 140 and stuffing...Anyobne ever see that film...Friggin shook the parking lot...wood flew for 15 minutes...Benny walked away....The Burgess was put in the dumpster...Formaula One, Garbrecht did away with the right hander after that AMAZING NOSE DIVE....I never saw a boat go from 140 to ZERO in one boat length....but Benny did it...

Add: Shawn Torrente: (I cleared this with the BIG GUY, Fred Bowden)...Chad has to go to a wedding Saturday, the weekend of San Diego....How would you like to run 45 again???

RIGHT TURNS CAN GO ON RED LIGHTS, ULESS YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO PUSH THEIR KIDS ARCOSS THE STREET IN SHOPPING CARTS....THAN, IT TAKES ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO TURN RIGHT...

cnunez55

08-11-2007, 09:21 AM

For those of you who have had the misfortune of knowing me, know that I started in stock and mod hydros. My dad raced them starting in the mid 60's. The bottom of these boats are designed to go straight. If you don't put a turning fin on them they will not turn. The builders also offset the cockpit 2 inches to assist in turning. The left hand props also help aid in turning because they bite the water instead of carring the *** end on around and spinning out.

The sponsons on a tunnel boat are the turnning fins. BIG ONES! Althoug some earier tunnel boat cockpits were offset, most have centered them up with the exception of the 45's. Idealy our boats will turn better left than right because of prop rotation.

In this cause we should feel sorry for the drivers in sst60 because there not only run a stock gear cause but I think a right hand one as well.

PS: Ron are you sure those props don't turn clockwise. "RIGHT HANDED"

sst60racer

08-11-2007, 10:49 AM

Yes Curtis you are right about the prop rotation on a sst60! The 60 boat is a odd duck under powered and takes getting use to turning, I race them for 6 years and stepping into 120 Its so nice having a boat turn when you want it to!

Chris

Bill Gohr

08-12-2007, 06:38 AM

spn43

08-12-2007, 09:21 AM

I wouldn't worry about your 24V trim, we're gonna get you a GPS and program it for each course so you know which sid e of the bouys to stay on, or maybe your radio man could tell you..........LOL

I think your real problem was................I'm thinking of your Cheech and Chong tape...............

hahahah...lol...lol.....That’s a sweet problem, isn’t it? Radio guy was too busy with St. Louis Rams cheerleaders at the time and I had no practice laps before qualifying due to electrical issues (24V out 12V in, power steering, kill switch, radio…all went crazy) so I had no idea where was the coarse,… yeah GPS would help I guess…to add more stuff to go wrong …unless you wanna be my crew chief, then I have nothing to worry about.
Or do I….hmmmmm?

Bill Gohr

08-13-2007, 06:28 AM

spn43

08-13-2007, 08:42 PM

We'll get you one that talks to you. " Turn left in 100ft", or when you miss a bouy, "Make a legal U turn". As well as I'm sure Daryl laid the course out during the drivers meeting, maybe you should have paid attention. You couldn't drive for me cuz all that other stuff would have been corrected when you went testing before you left.............

:D :) :p
OK, ok, keep ‘m coming….at least I was there, about you, where was your boat…..oh yeah you sold it….bummer, at least I would have someone to beat on….. oh well, you’ll get the itch sooner or later, I’ll just make sure not to miss that race.:p ;)
In all honesty everything worked fine at home, but once I got there all hell broke lose, and then again everything was fixed Saturday night and worked fine until the end of parade lap…..lol….where I lost all bunch of things, but I was going to finish the race even if I had to paddle across the finish line.