I'm Running for Endurance Chairman of APBA

[Ron Hill]

I'm "OFFICIALLY" an APBA Endurance Member and have sumitted my biography to Gloria Urbin, at APBA that I am a candidate for Endurance Chair.

Rudy Ramos called me everyday for four or five years and we talked GN daily...Sometimes, I "DUCKED" his calls....and he knew it, but he'd call the next day. If elected, I will try to CREATE a RUDY Ramos Cup Class. (As in Nextel Cup).

Rudy's GN #9 Spirit will Live On!!!

Ron Hill...for Endurance Chairman in 2008!!!

Pat Hoban and Ted Kolby are also running.

ADD: Only 50 Endurance members...PLEASE all 49 of the rest of you...VOTE...You don't have to vote for me, but VOTE for who you do want!!!!

[ePerformanceMarine]

So the world famous Ron Hill is running for "Inboard Endurace Chairman" ?

Ron and I have actually talked about this and with his vision it could increase racing big time as Regions 10, 11 &12 are very close and there is alot of great places to race.

You have my vote !

[Ron Hill]

I have a "PLAN" and maybe I should try to get elected first, then do as most politicans do, start planning my re-election....

But IDEAS ARE ME So here goes:

1. Create a "CUP" Class...Nextel Cup seems to do well!
2. Bring in the White Water Jets: Right now they are Special Event APBA, No Hall of Champions, No National Championships.
3. Bring Nostalgia Jet (NJ) , Flat Bottom )NF), Endurance and Outboard in as classes (NO). NJ for Nostalgia Endurance, NF for Nostalgia Flat, NE for Nostalgia Endurance, WJ for White Water River Jets.........


All these classes would become APBA classes , with records, National Points, Hall of Champions possibilites.


All classes at the Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 would fall into an Endurance class...

One ZINGER HERE: No OUTBOARDS were MENTIONED...

If elected, I will try to get the BOD of APBA to drop the name Inboard Endurace and change the name to Endurance.

I'm letting the WORLD know my plans, if you want to support me, please do...

Nostalgia Endurance Nationals, Isleton, California, 2008...

GN UIM World Championships, Oroville, California, August, 2008.

[vishus]

do we have to be an APBA member to vote?

[Ron Hill]

This may be an "UP HILL" Battle as some think I want to bring outboards in to Inboard Endurance....Well, they are right..."Might makes Right"...More members, more power!!!

[ePerformanceMarine]

Got my ballot in the mail today.

[Ron Hill]

When are the ballots due back to APBA???

Still in Region 11.....working on some Nostalgia Races....and...

[ePerformanceMarine]

I think it said post marked by 15 Sept.

[Ron Hill]

I'll E-Mail APBA tomorrow as I didn't have a ballot in my mail box when I got home!!!!

[gn7]

you gotta love it when some guy who has never campaigned a gn but "talked" to Rudy daily? comes into a class the week before the nomination close, and proclaims he's going to dismantle the class and rebuild it to his likeing because he has a bunch of nosties on his side. F**k OFF Ron

[Ron Hill]

Well, as Abraham Lincoln said, "You can please some of the people some of the time and that's pretty good odds...." Well, he said something like that...

This is my PLATFORM:

Check my Post on www.boatracingfacts.com (http://www.boatracingfacts.com/) The thread http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?p=38579#post38579 (http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?p=38579#post38579)

1. I have been disappointed that Endurance has not had an article in the Propeller in I don't know when.

2. I feel Nostalgia NEEDS a home, Endurance has 50 memrers, the Inboard Division will swallow this group if they stay with 9 GN boats.

3. River Racer Jets need a home and Endurance is what they race.

4. I deal with almost all GN teams and I feel I can work with APBA Muckie Mucks and help the Division..

5. I am an OUTBOARDER AT HEART and my push to change the title to ENDURANCE, so Parker Classes can be included in Endurance..

6. Nostalgia didn't get to run at Long Beach because they weren't racing for a NATIONAL TITLE...If elected, Endurance Nostalgia will have NATIONAL TITLES!!!

7. I was disappointed Inboard Endurance did not having any meetings, at the 2007 APBA Convention, last January in Los Angeles....APBA needs me to let them know that Endurance is a REAL DIVISION!!!

.Any question questions?? Call me at 714-608-7147 or e-mail me at ronhill@hillmarine.com

Ron Hill

[Ron Hill]

Back in 1977, the year Chad Hill was born, I made my first GN prop. Jerry Gilbreath won several GN World and Nationals Titles with Brad's Famous 888. The prop Ken Wilcoxen has today, 30 years later.

I had never made an inboard propeller before I made props for Brad. Bud Gilbert was Brad's engine man, and he said my propellers slowed their engine 1,000 RPM and gave them 10 MPH...Bud never lied to me.

Dave Rankin won the 2006 GN Nationals in Rudy Ramos' GN-9. He used a prop made by Chad Hill my son...Dave Rankin beat my prop, that day, as Plan B was second...

Rudy sold many a GN prop for me. The Body Snatcher with Joey Cucci won the 2007 GN National Championships with one of my props....I think second and third were also my props....

Bouncey asked me to make a stainless steel quadrant for HIS GN boat...I made it, with Jim Wilke's money...The quadrants aren't done yet, but the racing version will be stainless steel...

Yes, I'm an OUTBOARDER at HEART....But when Lance won four fur coats, (I think it was four) in a row with my props, I was proud to be part of boat racing.

My new quadrant for GN's and V-Drives is something that Bouncey wanted, and I made it for him...But it maybe something others need...

ADD;

On any given day I have about 20 V-Drive props out on loan, they can buy them if they want. I have more than 80 V-Drive props in stock and supply many race teams with blanks for their prop men to work!!!!

Last ADD: If elected, I will try to change the name from Inboard Endurance to Endurance....and we will keep a HALL OF CHAMPIONS SEAT!!!!

[gn7]

let's see if I have this correct, you make some props and stuff for boats and now you are qualified to be the I.E. chairman? How do figure that. How do boats limited to 80 mph set records that you are talking about, by going 81?
You remind me of a homeless person who is given shelter for a while then takes over the house. The only good thing in all of this is the Mucky mucks you refer to aren't going to let you get away with any of this

[Ron Hill]

I've talked to several people about Nostalgia Records. If you ran a race with a "PERFECT" 80.9 MPH, then that Record would be Retired and YOUR NAME would be added to the Nostalgia Record book. Averaging 80.9 without breaking out won't be easy....and part of the "FUN" of boat racing is having "FUN"...

Another "IDEA" that seemed to work, years ago, was Divisions in GN...I can recall about 22 GN's running at Firebird, about 1991, all boats of the course, but four Divisions with four winners. The Catalina Ski Race is probably the largest water ski race in the world, and it has about 50 classes (Divisions).....

I have no plans to "TAKE OVER" GNRA. I will write a monthly column for ENDURANCE for the propeller...I will CONTINUE to DONATE propellers for prizes....

Win or lose this election, I will continue my support of Endurance Racing.....I've owned and sponsored two boats at both of the Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 Enduro. I am part owner of Pat Bowman's Outboard Endurance Nostalgia Boat....I'd like to have an ALL OUTBOARD Endurance Class....OE= Outboard Endurance NJ=Nostalgia Jet RJ=River Jet NF=Nostalgia Flat.

ADD APBA: WE ARE APBA!!!!

FYI: I spent part of last week in Isleton, CA, and Chico, CA promoting BOAT RACES for 2008....Isleton will be October 2008. Oroville will be August 2008.....with or without me being Chairman of Endurance...

[ePerformanceMarine]

Ron is also a long time sponsor of mine, well OK three years. He is also the only way my daughter (J 53 C) was able to get on the water, being I am still recovering from two years of hell.

He has very good ideas about and is willing at his expence to go after them. The thing is Boat Racing in general will benifit from what he is trying to do.
Go up to Northern Cal, very few inboard races. This is true in alot of regions.

[gn7]

I am so very happy for you and your sponser ship with ron, but your wrong about it being good for the sport. First, stop calling it racing! Nosties DO NOT RACE, they drive around at 80 mph. If I am on the freeway in a Corvette and Honda civic is in the lane next to me and a CHP behind us, and we are going 65mph who's racing who here. So after some one runs 80.99999999 mph I can only assume that record will never be broken, oh boy I am really looking foward to that kinda class racing. Come Ron post some rules to this grand scheme of yours so we can see what your getting us into here. Are K boats legal, formula/gp outboards,
all limited to 80mph. Now that has to a real blast.

[Ron Hill]

300,000 Bracket Racers in America, at last count...30 Top Fuel drivers.....

Nostalgia Racing is BOAT RACINGS "BRACKET" Racing...


A GN goes 100, a K goes 122.. So, a GN isn't racing????

[gn7]

bracket racing is'nt racing either and I have said it ever since they started that crap. A 100mph gn is racing with other 100mph gn's, same with K's but we don't have a cop setting on shore threatening to sent us home if we get caught speeding. 30,000 bracket racers and the funnies, top fuel, and pro stock still run the show, and every thing else is a side act. It's all about money, and it always has and always will be.

[Ron Hill]

Amanda Rich decided she wanted to race J Hydro. At Parker, in April 2007, she collected donations to buy herself a Lifeline Jacket and helmet.

I decided I'd sponsor her... I know a LOT about sponsorship of kids, Chad is 30...Broc is 18.....Rob Hitchcock Designs (Pools and Landscaping) has also been my sons sponsor....but I know how to sponsor...I didn't need no Master Degree from Pepperdine to be a sponsor....anyway...Amada Rich has a sponsor...ME!

But let me discuss "RACING":

1. J Hydro Class must run 15 HP motors.
2. J Hydro Class must run a .500 restrictor plate.
3. Boat, motor and driver, unlike race cars where only the car must make weight (Google: Robbin Gordon)... have an EQUAL OVERALL WEIGHT.
4. ALL J Hydro Class boats run a UNIVERAL APBA Propeller...These Propellers are made by DeWald Propellers and are identical in the DeWald's eye...which is usually pretty good!!!

J Hydros go about 40 MPH.....Are these kids RACING??????

NASCAR thinks they are racing, but they've got more rules than J Hydro....Restrictor Plate Racing!!!!! Car of the Future???? Sounds like BRACKET RACING TO ME!!!!!

#53 is Amanda Rich's "Herbie".....

[gn7]

htey are just rules, not speed limits, they are still racing the damn things as hard as they can, NOT CRUZING. Damn you are way dumber than I ever thought.

[BStellyman]

I am so very happy for you and your sponser ship with ron, but your wrong about it being good for the sport. First, stop calling it racing! Nosties DO NOT RACE, they drive around at 80 mph. If I am on the freeway in a Corvette and Honda civic is in the lane next to me and a CHP behind us, and we are going 65mph who's racing who here. So after some one runs 80.99999999 mph I can only assume that record will never be broken, oh boy I am really looking foward to that kinda class racing. Come Ron post some rules to this grand scheme of yours so we can see what your getting us into here. Are K boats legal, formula/gp outboards,
all limited to 80mph. Now that has to a real blast.

The following is a partial list of drivers that have competed in Nostalgia Class races in the past, and to the best of my knowledge, DO NOT share the same feelings as GN7. GN7 I'm sure you will recognize some of these names, you may have noticed them lapping you!

Paul Grichar, Ben Marrone, Jeff Wooton, Dave Rankin, Tony Scarlatta, Dwight Moody, Brett Beard, Shane Hall, Lee Stacy, Dave Chandler, Bill Martin, Bart Cromwell, The Arnold brothers, Matt Wooton, just to name a few.

GN7 I strongly suggest you try Nostalgia racing before you rag on it. A word of advice thou, it's not just about doing 80mph in the straights, we circle race remember? The key is to keep up as much speed as possible thru the corners, you should try that yourself in a GN race, you might get better results. I will be at Bakersfield Oct. 6 & 7, will you be? Racing? Feel free to come by and visit me, my name is Brad Stellman, I drive Nostalgia Flat #718, Spearmint Rhino, we'll talk about how you too can get started in Nostalgia racing. I'm sorry thou I didn't catch your real name in any of your e-mails.

Remember how the saying goes;
"Those that can, DO! Those that can't, sit in their underware at a computer terminal giving worthless opinions about something they truely now nothing about!"

Hope to see ya at Bakersfield!

Brad Stellman

[John Schubert T*A*R*T]

htey are just rules, not speed limits, they are still racing the damn things as hard as they can, NOT CRUZING. Damn you are way dumber than I ever thought.


Does he really think that he knows what he's talking about?

[gn7]

The following is a partial list of drivers that have competed in Nostalgia Class races in the past, and to the best of my knowledge, DO NOT share the same feelings as GN7. GN7 I'm sure you will recognize some of these names, you may have noticed them lapping you!

Paul Grichar, Ben Marrone, Jeff Wooton, Dave Rankin, Tony Scarlatta, Dwight Moody, Brett Beard, Shane Hall, Lee Stacy, Dave Chandler, Bill Martin, Bart Cromwell, The Arnold brothers, Matt Wooton, just to name a few.

GN7 I strongly suggest you try Nostalgia racing before you rag on it. A word of advice thou, it's not just about doing 80mph in the straights, we circle race remember? The key is to keep up as much speed as possible thru the corners, you should try that yourself in a GN race, you might get better results. I will be at Bakersfield Oct. 6 & 7, will you be? Racing? Feel free to come by and visit me, my name is Brad Stellman, I drive Nostalgia Flat #718, Spearmint Rhino, we'll talk about how you too can get started in Nostalgia racing. I'm sorry thou I didn't catch your real name in any of your e-mails.

Remember how the saying goes;
"Those that can, DO! Those that can't, sit in their underware at a computer terminal giving worthless opinions about something they truely now nothing about!"

Hope to see ya at Bakersfield!

Brad Stellman

our boat has been entered in nostie twice, once in bako, once at the beach,
can't say it was real exciting either time, that said I have nothing against nos.
it just does'nt meet what I consider a national class worthy of record keeping and a hall of champ slot. Sorry, just my thoughts. It has its place, just don't
compare it to SS PS K GN or CRACKER. As for our results, we do ok, last time I checked we posted more points over the past 5 yrs than any other gn, 1 high points championship 2002, 1 gnra championship 2005 2place apba, gnra last yr and if we chose (which we don't) 100 points (pretty easy) at bako for the weekend would put us in 3rd this yr. But your right maybe we should jump DOWN to nostie and save myself about 10-15 thou next yr.

[BStellyman]

GN7,
Your point is well taken, and I apoligize for being a little harsh in my last post, but when you started saying Nostalgia wasn't racing, you cut me deep dude. My feeling is that APBA does need some sort of stepping stone class into inboard flatbottoms & Gns, some thing for new drivers, low budget guys such as myself, and drivers that just dont feel safe a speeds of 100mph, but still want to race. Is the Nostalgia classes this stepping stone, maybe for Southern California and other regions that what to it, but I also don't believe it is a class worthy of APBA National status, maybe some sort of APBA class that is a option for regions have for thier new drivers. I feel that a stepping stone class needs to have it's speed regulated by engine and/or hull rules, not by a speed-o-meter. A perfect example is the Sportsman's classes that has been kicked around in the past, but never really got off the ground. This is basically a small block motor with limited mods, 400hp-ish in a flat bottom boat. Speeds for this class would probably be in the 80-85mph range, but pedal to the metal racing as you say. Once again I apoligize for my comments in my first post, and I am sorry that you won't be at Bakersfield to race in GN, but please due think about runing in Nostalgia, because yes it could save you a ton of money, and still get your boat on the water, and gain valuable seat time for the driver.

[BStellyman]

Since my earlier post, my phone has been ringing off the hook from people wondering if my post means the Nostalgia class members are backing and should vote for Mr. Hill. Let me set the record straight, NO, my post was nothing more than my replies in defense of the Nostalgia Classes being called a "non-racing" class by somebody! In was not an indorsement for or against Mr. Hill, or for anybody running for this position. Nostalgia class members I suggest you vote for whom you feel will be best for the position, look at the issues, look at the canidates, vote for whom you feel would be best. Just don't call Nostalgia "not real racing!"

Brad

[gn7]

are you kidding me, I would have LOVED for Nos. to been around when we started. Talk about being thrown straight into the fire, our first gn race was Thanksgiving, 2002. That was the weekend we lost Lance Faulkner and Mike Hoban in the same weekend. Think it wasn't tough to continue after that. What the hell are we getting ourselfs into here. I am all for Nos especially for the STEP UP feature it offers. Think about how much safer it is for the guys running gn ss ps when the "new" guys at least has some seat time running side by side with other boats, learning corners, water condition changes, flags, flares, etc. etc.......... when I first started racing motocross(many, many yrs ago) they had beginners, novice, ametuer, and expert. When we started boats(and we had never ran in any class before) that didn't exsist, to my amazment, and jumped straight into blown unlimited at that time, GN I and it still amazes me we didn't toss in the towel long ago. P.S. your Nostie has been my favorite ever since the day you it broke out, that thing is way cool

[MAXIMUS]

Wow... this is like a presidental debate!!!!:rolleyes: I for one will be racing nostalgia next year on & off depending on time etc... I enjoy the class & think it is really cool for new comers!
Bob I think you, Ted, Myself, Kenny & some of the other non driving owners should have us a little fun out there! Biggest looser pours the first round etc...!:D I like Ted Kolby, Pat Hoban & Ron Hill... all of them are my amigos... I believe I am going to give Mr Hill a shot at it this year & see what shakes... That way Ted won't be preoccupied & can spend more money on his boat!:eek: Pat needs to get his health up to snuff & get his damn boat running! Then he can play indian chief! Ron Hill needs a job & I believe he can & will do a fair job for us all... If not we hang him by his balls & switch him to death!:mad: Plus this should soften up those prices I am paying for chiney props!:)

[gn7]

oh, Max you really need to stay away form the stuff Grich keeps putting in the tank, it's really hard on the gray matter. You may right all the way around Maxi, except about Kenny, he's blind in one eye and can't out the other and you want to get on the water and go 80(+) with him? not me, no thanks. And "I" may be in the seat at the 300. And what the hell are you doing over here anyway, I came here to get away from you.:cool:

[ePerformanceMarine]

GN 7

Can you post a pic of your boat ?
If not please send it to me
codeblueracing2004@yahoo.com

[MAXIMUS]

oh, Max you really need to stay away form the stuff Grich keeps putting in the tank, it's really hard on the gray matter. You may right all the way around Maxi, except about Kenny, he's blind in one eye and can't out the other and you want to get on the water and go 80(+) with him? not me, no thanks. And "I" may be in the seat at the 300. And what the hell are you doing over here anyway, I came here to get away from you.:cool:


You will "NEVER" get away from me... cause I will find you!:D

[bowman]

Well

I agree with Ben, Give Ron a chance. Yes Ron is one of my sponcers, but that does not mean I agree with everything he says. Quit the opisite. Ron has known to look at me a bit funny because I tell him what I think. For the record Ron is like a Father to me in a weird sick sence, but he knows racing and generaly what is good for the sport. He has great Ideas, not all will work but that is why we vote on stuff, to keep him in check. This is the same with any other canidate, of which I think will do a great job.

I have been an APBA member for almost 15years. I have been a Crew Chief for Formula One, Stock outboard, built motors, crewed with Fred Bowden, driven for Fred, and am a Parker Enduro over all winner. I have not been a driver for all those years but I do understand racing and what is good for the sport. We need to get more people invoved, and if that is through new channels than thats how we do it.

And Yes for the record I am an outboarder with no home to race my style of boat. I am glad that NE has let me race with them and would love to see a class for just the outboards. Till then I will have to just keep racing with those loud Inboards.:D

Lastly GN7 There are all types of racing and just because this is not your style does not make it bad. I agree that 100mph is better than 80, but if we can get more members by having this class than why not. This does not hurt your class, maybe just prepairs them for your class. Also like Ben said many people dont want to go that fast, and maybe should not, so this is a good place for that. I do agree with you that true racing is put your foot down and see who built the faster boat, but there are others who need a differnt type.

Pat Bowman
NE #7

[MAXIMUS]

Well

I agree with Ben, Give Ron a chance. Yes Ron is one of my sponcers, but that does not mean I agree with everything he says. Quit the opisite. Ron has known to look at me a bit funny because I tell him what I think. For the record Ron is like a Father to me in a weird sick sence, but he knows racing and generaly what is good for the sport. He has great Ideas, not all will work but that is why we vote on stuff, to keep him in check. This is the same with any other canidate, of which I think will do a great job.

I have been an APBA member for almost 15years. I have been a Crew Chief for Formula One, Stock outboard, built motors, crewed with Fred Bowden, driven for Fred, and am a Parker Enduro over all winner. I have not been a driver for all those years but I do understand racing and what is good for the sport. We need to get more people invoved, and if that is through new channels than thats how we do it.

And Yes for the record I am an outboarder with no home to race my style of boat. I am glad that NE has let me race with them and would love to see a class for just the outboards. Till then I will have to just keep racing with those loud Inboards.:D

Lastly GN7 There are all types of racing and just because this is not your style does not make it bad. I agree that 100mph is better than 80, but if we can get more members by having this class than why not. This does not hurt your class, maybe just prepairs them for your class. Also like Ben said many people dont want to go that fast, and maybe should not, so this is a good place for that. I do agree with you that true racing is put your foot down and see who built the faster boat, but there are others who need a differnt type.

Pat Bowman
NE #7

That is a nice post! Well said! Now get ready for the 300 cause your *** is mine!:D

[gn7]

Pat, the mantra of nostie as I understand it is NBLB NO BOAT LEFT BEHIND! And that should in clude outboards just like in the BW 300. BUT there lies the problem with Ron making it a NATIONAL class running for the I.E. championship. A small block flat, running with a K, running with a cracker all in the same race on the water at the same time no rules except safety and a speed limit. You and Ron and God Almighty himself will never ever get the APBA to by that, but Ron has all this hopefulls thinking that the Pied piper can pull it off and are going to vote him in because they are carrying the votes. A100 mph isn't better than 80 if your in an 80 mph boat, if your in a 80 mph boat your running you tail off to keep up. If you LanseHaselrig going 80 in you blown 21 ft rayson craft then your driving around trying to remember where you set your Pepsi. It's all relative to the boat and the driver, and thats my point. Prediction here........ he will not get that done and he will destroy GN in the process. But I do wish that the garaged outboards could find a place to run.

[Ron Hill]

Ron Hill is running for Endurance Inboard Chairman:

1. First and FOREMOST, the GN class WILL NOT BE CHANGED!!!!

2. Outboards will continue to run in the Nostalgia Endurance Group. I will try to work out a points system for the Nostalgia Group, under the Umbrella of Endurance Inboard.

3. I don't own a GN and have no plans to own one, therefore, I should be very open mined and fair with my approach to the GN class. I have no "AX to Grind"...

4. I seem to have the time and energy to be the Chairman of Inboard Endurance.

5. I'll try to be a Voice of the GN Group with APBA, by writing monthly articles for the Propeller Magazine.

6. I plan to help promote more races with more PRIZE money.

[gn7]

unknown to you ron the gn class is already changed due to this BS. And it was never about GN anyway, it's about I.E. and you ARE trying and won't succeed to change I.E., which I notice you make no mention of in your latest post. The fact that you don't run a GN therefore have no axe to grind is laughable. I would feel way more secure if you did run a GN. What the hell do you care if the Gns fall away so long as your agenda for a national class of mishmash, run what you brung, any thing goes, no rules, free for all gets it's HOC. is fullfilled

[BStellyman]

I have been hearing alot the last couple days about the good and the bad of Ron Hills agenda. Ron, I applaud you for your ambition on running for IE commisioner. But, from what I understand, SCSC members and former IE commisioners have worked very hard in playing the APBA games to the advantage of GN's, Nosties, and even the current K class. Some of the items on your agenda could very much hurt all the hard work done in the past to get what we have today, it could in fact take us a big step backwards. I ask of you Ron, that if you do get elected, please, please, please, ask and LISTEN to what guys like Ross, Pat, & Ted have to say, and more importantly thier warnings. They have been there, done that, know how to play the game APBA likes to play. Remember Nostalgia classes are also about reducing the cost of racing and becoming a National Class means MUCH higher entry fees. I for one am not willing to pay a $350.00 entry fee just to race at Long Beach, and I don't think many other Nosties are either.

[MAXIMUS]

unknown to you ron the gn class is already changed due to this BS. And it was never about GN anyway, it's about I.E. and you ARE trying and won't succeed to change I.E., which I notice you make no mention of in your latest post. The fact that you don't run a GN therefore have no axe to grind is laughable. I would feel way more secure if you did run a GN. What the hell do you care if the Gns fall away so long as your agenda for a national class of mishmash, run what you brung, any thing goes, no rules, free for all gets it's HOC. is fullfilled

Bob what the hell are you talking about??? Who is in your ear giving you some half *** info??? This whole GN class is going to go down in flames if it dosen't grow & change!!!!!!!!! You think if it stays the same it will be safe??? Get a clue the #'s are weak & all I keep hearing about is so & so is doing this & so & so is doing that... well untill "so & so & all his ****ing friends decide to support the GN class or INBOARD ENDURANCE class then something else will need to come into play... I don't understand why you think that expanding the INBOARD ENDURANCE umbrela to include these nostalgia classes & maybe some outboard tag alongs is going to threaten the GN class??? Explain that to me so I understand! How many INBOARD ENDURANCE teams do you think will be hear for next year??? This is the biggest bunch of whinning crying temper tantrum bull **** I have heard yet... WE need somebody to represent us at the National meetings, we need a voice that has something to offer & can defend us against the bull **** that can & will be thrown are way! We need somebody who has time & new ideas to keep us moving to a new level! This is 2007 not 1977. I want to run GN for a long time... I want to be able to have a class to run in! Besides that this isn't a dictator ship for gods sake its appointing somebody to represent our wishes & ideas... Don't make me beat you like a baby seal...:eek:

[gn7]

Ben, you may not know it, but I was there when this nostie thing started, which was right after the faulkner/hoban thanksgiving weekend. We (I) decided to stay in gn and not to go into nost for various reasons, BUT I was all for the idea of starting the class. Still am 100% behind the class, and as you may already know, they are already part of I.E. which why they are able to vote for Ron and his agenda(scheme) call it what ever you like, the up side is, he can't pull it off, and I believe he knew it all along, or aleast knows it now, which why his last post is a little softer that his first post on this thread. but it does't mean he doesn't still harbor the same thoughts and desires, and those don't mesh with mine at all. This all for not anyway because of the fact that like most politics, its all mouth with promises he can never keep, and it bothers the hell out of me that the guys in nos are buying his chit. P.S. I am running for chairperson in 2010 and am going to put everyone in a new carbon fiber 21 foot rayson with a motor of there choice. VOTE FOR ME

[gn7]

GN 7

Can you post a pic of your boat ?
If not please send it to me
codeblueracing2004@yahoo.com

check your PMs

[MAXIMUS]

Ben, you may not know it, but I was there when this nostie thing started, which was right after the faulkner/hoban thanksgiving weekend. We (I) decided to stay in gn and not to go into nost for various reasons, BUT I was all for the idea of starting the class. Still am 100% behind the class, and as you may already know, they are already part of I.E. which why they are able to vote for Ron and his agenda(scheme) call it what ever you like, the up side is, he can't pull it off, and I believe he knew it all along, or aleast knows it now, which why his last post is a little softer that his first post on this thread. but it does't mean he doesn't still harbor the same thoughts and desires, and those don't mesh with mine at all. This all for not anyway because of the fact that like most politics, its all mouth with promises he can never keep, and it bothers the hell out of me that the guys in nos are buying his chit. P.S. I am running for chairperson in 2010 and am going to put everyone in a new carbon fiber 21 foot rayson with a motor of there choice. VOTE FOR ME

I already told you Bob that I would vote for you if you ran... but like so many of us you probably don't have the time or the energy to play politics & would like to just race... :)

[MAXIMUS]

Also carbon fiber with a wood deck option... would be a better way to word it!:D

[gnra30]

lets start off by noting to Ron that if he feels i shouldn't be posting in this thread please delete it and I will reach the masses through other means.

First and foremost.. if i felt that my health or drive wasnt there to do the job justice I would never have volunteered to run again.
I Feel i did a damn good job leading the category through some VERY turbulent years. during my tenure we dealt with a lot of rule issues, capsule mandates and even discussions about having the category absobed into the INBOARD category. We started the whole nostalgia group as a way to get boats that were sitting in garages onto the water. That has alwas been the #1 goal. Guys that couldn't (or wouldn't) drive over their heads or break their bank to compete in SS, PS, K or 5,6 litre hydro or GN had a place and rules to get out , show off and have some FUN. From its inception the HOPE has been that a few would get the bug and jump up to the more serious classes (note, I didnt say "competitive" or "real") thus adding boat count to all our events.
Simply stated....More racers = more crew, family and friends. The more people we bring into our world, the bigger base we have to draw from to add racers, sponsors and race site volunteers.The bigger the event , the bigger the spectator count(and potential new participants).

Representation and communication are the main responsibilities of the chairman. As chairman i traveled at my expense to Detroit, Seattle, Milwaukee and Atlanta to support the IE category. Many times the only other category member there was the HOC inductee . We always sat down , talked about the class, it's future and what goals we need to strive for to make it happen. National meetings are a lot more than a meeting solely for one class or another. I always made it to every insurance seminar, safety meeting, race site promotion seminar that my schedule would allow as well as sitting in on board of director meetings to learn the direction that APBA is headed and how it affects us as racers.

this is enough for now.
think about it.

Pat Hoban
candidate for IE chairmain
owner of GN30 "under pressure"
underpressuregn30 @ yahoo dot com

[ePerformanceMarine]

Pat not to change the subject, did you get my message ?
When you get a chance give me a call please.

Thank you
Jim

[Ron Hill]

Pat Hoban, you are always welcome to post here, this is a Boat Racing Site....Your POST was well said. No matter how the election turns out, we'll all still be friends....

If you get some time, Pat, please post about your family in Boat Racing.....My goal for BRF is it will be THE BOAT RACING ENCYCLOPEDIA....

Post, again, post often!!!!

[gn7]

Also carbon fiber with a wood deck option... would be a better way to word it!:D

that would be just plain sick wouldn't it! I'll get right on that.

[MAXIMUS]

Well said Patsy...


Yea a carbon fiber simulated african bobo mixed with a northern blonde mahagony would be off the hook as an option to gelcoat...;)

[Fast Fred]

was Amazed when younger on how when one person makes an Effort, some one sittin on thare hand got nothing good to say, best of luck RON, although seems thay are just lookin to parade, maybe you can get them racin. you gots to know when to fold um.

[Ron Hill]

Like I've said, before, "If I lose $20 on each sale, how many do I have to sell before I get even?"...I'm not ready to "FOLD'Em"...

I forgot to mention FORMULA FORD...This is a Ford Pinto, with Hill Rules it will have the T-Bird Super Charged motor, and a D'Cucci Boat....Local class, probably in Region 11...

Anyone but me see them Johnsonville Brats ad???

Now, I just need an add from the National Pepper Association...

[Fast Fred]

not good at foldin my self, it's an Endurance thing :cool:

[John Schubert T*A*R*T]

Like I've said, before, "If I lose $20 on each sale, how many do I have to sell before I get even?"...I'm not ready to "FOLD'Em"...

I forgot to mention FORMULA FORD...This is a Ford Pinto, with Hill Rules it will have the T-Bird Super Charged motor, and a D'Cucci Boat....Local class, probably in Region 11...

Anyone but me see them Johnsonville Brats ad???

Now, I just need an add from the National Pepper Association...

Where is it? I don't see it on the home page!

[Ron Hill]

Am I they olny one that can see them??? Coloradro River Chevy, Johnsonville Brat's, Paul Pfaff, Blue Water Casino....Steve's Prop Shop...

[Ron Hill]

It has been almost a week and NO ONE has posted...


Well, I tried to ask Bouncey when his GN would be ready for RACING....But the boss cought me!!!! (Jim Wilkes of Wilkes Marine)...

I'd like to start something new, but.....Hey, Johnsonville Brats are a year younger than me!!!!

What do you think??? GN Johnsonville Brat Cup??? Johnsonville Brats GN Series?? Johnsonville Brats Million Dollar Series.... Oh, maybe, GN racers don't like Johnsonville Brats....Hell, everyone likes Johnsonville Brats....

Michael Reagan running GN. Powerboat, September 1967.

[Fast Fred]

gettin some Johnsonville Brats, cuzz i saw them hear:cool:

[Ron Hill]

I talked to Bouncey...The ONLY BOUNCEY. He tells me he has given many of his GN parts to Deniis Rankin, so Dennis can get his Gn on the water in 2008.

Bouncey is working on Bob Devine's GN and I'm not sure, but I thought he siad for The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 Enduro , if not it is for the 2008 season...Which starts at Parker in November of 2007.

Bouncey is working on his GN and only needs about $10,000 to get it on the water. If you'd like to get into GN racing...Bouncey has said, "Brain Wilson will be his driver..." But, I'm not sure Brian has agreed to the request. I've know Boucey since 1978. He's HONEST. Hard working and he knows MOTORS....He's got a good Rayson Craft, with a partner, he could put the boat "UP FRONT"...

The water splashing (Lower right corner) by GN 19 is Bouncey's Vapor Trail, as he was running for a FIRE EXTINGUISHER....Parker Enduro 1978

I already mentioned, on the Enduro Thread, that GN 9 may hit the water in 2008...With Tomlin at the wheel....Rudy once offered to let me drive GN 9, but I told him I was an OUTBOARDER.....If he was able to offer me a ride, today..........I might tell him I'm STILL an outboarder!!!! Dve Rankin sure made it look like an easy boat to drive...as he won the 2006 GN APBA National Championships...

None of the above words are designed to get me elected....it is really a GN FYI!!!!

[ONCB]

Boy Ron, I have been away too long........If I had only known Maxi was waxing over here! My handle stands for 'Outlaw Nostalgic Circle Boats' and we started it all in June 2001. Now 'big ben' knows who I is....and I know he thinks he knows about 'wood'! NOT

Good luck to anyone willing to devote huge quantities of time for the promotion of boat racing. Boy what a thank less job.
But seriously, who can, in their right mind, ever look at a dozen+ classic v-drives side by side, ready to romp and not feel exhilaration?? Sorry to hear NE didnt run at Long Beach, I almost booked a flight down....
I suspect Nostalgia folks will never really be accepted as racers by APBA or all the other big dollar boat owners but their money will!

[Skoontz]

Regarding Longbeach, with no disresepct to PWC racers, I would much rather see real boats no matter how old or whatever speed restrictons than PWC's, which I always will regard as toys.

[Ron Hill]

I remember when the MERCURY GUYS (Stock Outboarders) got kicked out of the LASA (Los Angeles Speedboat Association)... LASA were "RACERS" using alcohol fuel...The club never recovered.

Personal Water Craft Racing is good for boat racing. Yamaha rider, Fullmer, raised $35,000 from ad sales, in the Long Beach Program, which had NOTHING to do with PWC's being on the schedule. He did it to PROMOTE Boat Racing.

The sooner people realize that Unlimiteds are at the top, and J is at the bottom, with everything else in the middle somewhere, Boat Racing will be better off.

Those 400,000 people at Mission Bay did not come to see J Hydros, they didn't come to see Cracker Boxes. They didn't come to see Formula Lights. They didn't come to see Unlimited Lights, they didn't come to see Offshore Boats.....They may have come to see the Super Stocks, but they came to SEE THE UNLIMITEDS.....and with only 8 boats they put on a hell of a show!!!!

I would not want to drive one. I would not want to own one. I would not want either of my sons driving one....But I sure love watching those mothers go and I do mean GO...160 MPH is fast.

I watched the PWC's and said to myself...., "Self, these suckers need some NOISE..." How would Plan B's GN be with a muffler????? Them ZOOMIES is what wakes the people up when GN's are called out!!!! PWC's need ZOOMIES!!!!

It ain't THEM and US......Boat Racers are "WE".....

Steve David, 2007 winner of the Unlimited race at Misssion Bay...Raced Kneeldown racer, years ago. Billy Schumaker (Checker Board Comet...yellow and Black) and his wife Jane own an Unlimited....Billy is a past APBA A Runabout and J Runabout National Champion...He also raced Limited Inboards and tunnels...

J. Michael Kelly still races kneeldowners. Dave Bryan races SS, PC and K Flat Bottoms.

Everything that floats is "US"...

[Skoontz]

Ron:

I'm not saying PWC's are a bad thing for boat racing, simply this....As a spectator, I have paid $150.00 evey year to go watch NHRA nationals in Pomona. I come for Pro Stocks, Alky's, and Top fuel....And, to fill the day, the schedule allows bracket cars in the field....normal bracket cars are good racing...But, they fill the bulk of the time of day with these screwed up cars directed by computer which calculates the E.T. from the launch pad and tells the driver if he will break out...so, they scream from the launch pad, only to back off the throttle, the green light in the car says go, and the driver hammers the car again.....

I personally resent seeing these things, considering I paid $150 for my ticket, parking and so fourth, and after 15 or so years of going, I'm not going to knowing full well I will see a bunch of those cars in the field...It's not worth my time or hard earned money.....

Now, add real boats into the fill, such as nostalgia, vintage racers, noisey nostalgia...you got show making racing....

That's all I'm saying....The crowd pays a premium at an event such as San Diego and Long Beach. They expect noise, smoke, and boats. Sure PWC's require a certain amount of skill to run, as anything else does, but, their water time should be limited at these events so more crowd pleasing varieties of boat can give the audience what it paid for. There were something like 4 heats of jet skis at Longbeach? Same at San Diego? For the money, there is better to see.

[MAXIMUS]

You know the problem here is this... yes the spectators want noise, air polution, etc & no they don't want to watch a bunch of see doos racing around... However when the boat count is low & the money is not coming in, then you need these for fillers. Now the question is... do you send them packing now that you don't need them??? I am not one to **** on somebody after I don't need them anymore... Its unfortunate that there is not enough room for everybody. I felt very bad for the nostalgia guys that didn't get to run long beach. At the same time I don't think it would be right to eliminate the pwc's who have been helping keep things alive during a drought...

I hate see doo's at the river until I am riding one now and then, but I wouldn't want them to get banned from the river as they have as much right to be there as a flat bottom or 25' max limit off shore boat!:rolleyes:

[rossdbos]

Based on your thread it is important to realize that it takes EVERYONE to make a SHOW. Despite your likeing or not, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you like to watch may not be what someone else likes. I am fan of all classes, inboard, outboard, flatbottom, V-bottome, Tunnel, and yes, PWC. I may be the exception but it still doesn't negate the fact that what works for you may not work for me. The PWC's raised close to $30,000 in advertising dollars for the program at Long Beach, what did your class do? I can answer that, NOTHING, almost the same answer from the GN's, SS, J's and K's. They earned the right to be there based on how much effort and dedication they put forth so I can concentrate on working with the City, race group's etc. Until you have promoted an event you can't appreciate what a help Mike Follmer and the PWC's have been, and yes they fit the criteria. So regardless of YOUR particular likeing or not, it makes no difference to me, they will be a part of the show!
If you would care to discuss this further, feel free to call me or email me (310) 318-4012.
Sincerely,
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENT./SCSC

[Bunker Hill]

Skoonts....
I am probably the greatest dislikers of PWC's! I am with Ross here! Everyone has different tastes likes dislikes etc. A post somewhere on this site claims that the best or favorite racer is your parent or child. Can't this also be true for class that your parent or child races???
besides, with the regulations for safety vehicles different for PWC's it gives our patrol boat guys/gals time to eat and "P"
as for you my friend.....

The PWC's take just long enough to "Burbulate" a batch of brats and then "Grill them to perfection!!!"

Bunker

[rossdbos]

Skoontz, if you noticed at Long Beach they ran their first heat not long after the J's in the "test" session area and then again during the lunch break. They like it, they are self contained and I personally don't care what everyone does when they are out there, I can tell you, from my vantage point (50 feet up) at San Diego the crowd waived and were on their feet, so for those that paid for their tickets and parking at San Diego, I didn't hear anyone complaining. Again, beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.
RW

[Bunker Hill]

Ross...
I thouhgt that beauty was in the eye of the BEERHOLDER!!

[rossdbos]

That is precisely why G-D invented BEER GOGGLES!

[Miss BK]

not to interupt anything - but the election results are in...

http://www.apba-racing.com/apps/news/index.php
(don't forget to hit "SEARCH" to update the NEWS page)




As far as 'no noise', do what they do at those super quiet SUPER CROSS motorcycle races.....CRANK UP THE BASS! Big speakers belting out some Disturbed "Land of Confusion" will rev the people up and get their blood pumping.

Believe me, I was at one of these shows and nobody even noticed the bikes had no sound. And the MC could break in with commentary whenever necessary. The crowds love music just as much as they love motahs. :)

[Mark75H]

The results are ....

APBA IE Chairman
Friday, September 21, 2007

INBOARD ENDURANCE CHAIRMAN

ELECTION RESULTS

Ted Colby - 16


Pat Hoban - 13

Ron Hill - 7

Paul Grichar - 1 (write-in)

[Ron Hill]

Will there be a recount???? NO!


Congratulations, Ted. You know you have my support. I will write articles for the Propeller, if you were serious about your offer!!!!

Now, get back to work, Ted!!!!

[Skoontz]

Ross:

I just was able to read back your reply. And, I agree with you, it takes all to make a field. Bunker, I'm also with you...PWC's are time to fire up the grille, or at least melt the butter for the onions. I wish, there was time for all classes. I wish we could start at 7:00 AM and run til dusk and that there was time for all the boat designs. And, I wish all boats made noise. High winding two stroke noise and throatey bad inboard noise. Watching and hearing the PWC's is kind of like watching a garden tractor race with stock engines.... And, as Maximus says, the PWC's brought $$ to the table and paid their dues....So, there ya got it....

[bowman]

Well I certanly did not think my first little comment would start this kind of banter.

I am a fan of all racing, Boats, Offroad, Drag, Motocross, Airplanes, you name it I love it. Jet Skis do race and in the hay day in the 90s was worth way more money than Boat racing. There was big money it Jet Skis but the racing for them has become almost non exsistant. The PWCs need a place to race I agree this is a great place. Like Ross said to each his own. If the PWCs get more people to a race and interesxted in our sport GREAT, we need it.

To put my comment in persective when I said there were not going to be Nag racing at Long Beach but PWC were going to run I was a bit emotionaly charged up. I still wish we could have run, but PWCs have erned the right to be there, like Ben and Ross have both said the were there to fill spots when we needed them and we still need them. Mike and his group do a great job in getting money for the sport and getting people to the race. I just wish we could have been in Long Beach as well.

For the record, I have seen some great races from the PWCs and I am sure they will have many more to come.

Pat Bowman

[KG4]

You west coast guys are lucky.I live in Michigan and my choices are ,stock outboard,Which i did for 12 years and my right knee is totally shot,Or i can run 45 tunnel which i cant afford,SST120 which is just a dream to me or slt which requires two people and is also expensive.So i have my $2000.00 60mph Avenger in my garage with no place to race it except for the enduro which will probably never happen because its about a 3 day trip one way for me.Its just to bad because i used to eat,sleep and crap boat racing.I dont think some of you know how good you have it as far as racing.I just wish region 6 would start an endurance class around here so i could go race.I dont have $10,000 to be competitive in 45 but i sure would love to run my Avenger which is all i can afford.Any how thanks for a great web site and mabey someday something will come around in my region but i dought it.Thanks for listning.