I think it is a 45 piece

[yamonster]

Is this a 45 lower unit? If so do any of Yall know who might need it?

[Tomtall]

Looks like it to me.;)

[hagerl8m]

how much you want for it?

[sst45jefff]

are those holes in the left side of the case ?

[chill]

I could be interested in it.... Send me an email. chad.hill@hillmarine.com

[hagerl8m]

there looks like there are holes on the planing surface too?

[yamonster]

It was going to be used on a super E hydro before I got it. The pump was removed and a tube was placed behind the prop. And I think that the two holes in the cavatation plate are extra. The hole in the left side is tapped into the water passage from the pickup to use as a force fed system. It has some sin, I am not tring to hide any of it.
But bottom line is I cannot use it, I am building a mod 90.

[Ron Hill]

I may have some parts if a MOD 90 happens to be an OMC three banger!!!!

What props might you need???

[yamonster]

Mr Hill I am making a mod 90 yammi, short mid, light flywheel, ported, light rod and pistons, costom tuner, reeds, ect......

[DKL]

Did this sell?

[Bahrin Hj Idris]

Is this a 45 lower unit? If so do any of Yall know who might need it?

yes it is a 45xs lower unit.It will fit 40-55hp omc johnson/evinrude outboard engine.
i would buy if you are will to sell it. How much?
and what is the cost if you were to send to brunei (ASIA)

[Ron Hill]

I have a 45 gearcase, built from parts by Bill Curtis. It has very little time on it. I cost me $1,500 to build from parts plus $100 labor for shaping it.

I'll sell it for $1,200 and ship it to ASIA for $50. This case is just like we race them. I want to get down to four cases and was planning on listing this on E-Bay.

[Fast Fred]

i know some one lookin for one, so 1250 for Ron's, Yamonster whats you need for that one?:cool:

[Ron Hill]

I bought Yamonster's, put in new propshaft and welded up the holes...made it back to stock...

[sst45jefff]

I bought Yamonster's, put in new propshaft and welded up the holes...made it back to stock...

Ron, when you say new propshaft, did you mean large diamater from smalll diamater or new as in never used.
The prop shaft in the picture is a little rusty for new.

[Ron Hill]

The one in the picture is the one Bill Curtis built from parts (AND THE ONE I WANT TO SELL)...and has very little time on it.....20 minutes, maybe..Yomonster's isn't shown, and we got the last NEW BIG SHAFT from SEA WAY....but and put new gears and decided to keep it for Chad and Broc...as I thought this case was sold with the Revolution...

[Fast Fred]

if Bahrin Hj Idris don't go for it, this guy mite , i know he needs one for his daugthers boat. i'm guna send him over hear.:cool:

[Bahrin Hj Idris]

The one in the picture is the one Bill Curtis built from parts (AND THE ONE I WANT TO SELL)...and has very little time on it.....20 minutes, maybe..Yomonster's isn't shown, and we got the last NEW BIG SHAFT from SEA WAY....but and put new gears and decided to keep it for Chad and Broc...as I thought this case was sold with the Revolution...

Ron,
do you know where i can get 25xs gearcase?this is actually what i was really looking for..thanks

[tsrt]

Ron,
do you know where i can get 25xs gearcase?this is actually what i was really looking for..thanks

I have one for sale just few few kilometers from your region email me topspeedracingteam@yahoo.com for picture. I am located miri sarawak

Regards
tsrt

[RabidGatorFan]

Ron Hill or others.... three questions please,

1. What are the diameter specs on the "small" diameter propshaft and the "large" diameter propshaft?

2. What propshaft is in the case for sale above by Ron?

3. Did you sell the case listed above Ron?

Thanks,

Steve
SCI Materials #30.

[Ron Hill]

1. I just measure a "D" prop at .685...seems a "D" Merc shaft was 11/16...

2. New 45 shaft is .705 propshaft hole size... only .020 bigger I guess...I do know when we had a small shaft, we could MICKEY MOUSE a Coors Light can for a bushing and it worked fine.

3. The gearcase is sold to a fine race team (Rilo22 here on BRF/Bill Reiter and John Lane...)..except their new Revolution is the exact same color as Chad Hill's and we still need to talk about this!!

[sst45jefff]

RabidGatorFan - I have a completely rebuilt 45 gearcase for sale if you need one. $1,650.00
It is like brand new.

New large prop shaft, gears, bearings and seals.

It was one of the early gearcases with the small diameter shaft. A friend of mine was going to get into racing so he brought to me to put the large diameter prop shaft in it and blueprint it, but when I opened it up it needed gears. I never put new gears in without changing the bearings and seals. Usaully the gears leave metal in everything else and its not worth taking a chance on the new gears for a few dollars in bearings and seals.

[RabidGatorFan]

Ron, Jeff,

Thanks for the help.

Ron, if that gearcase changes from "seems" to be sold to "not sold" please let me know. I am VERY interested.

Jeff, I just bought a completely new gearcase from Sea-Way so I really wanted Ron's as a second spare and because it was shaped and polished. I have my original gearcase (which is shaped but not polished), a brand new gearcase (which is neither shaped nor polished) and I wanted to get Ron's as the price is very reasonable and it would give me one more scenario to try with identical setups to see if there is any benefit to polishing the gearcase out. I am sure yours is very nice and if you want to match Ron's price I will buy yours. Let me know.

Thanks,

Steve
SCI Materials #30.

[sst45jefff]

Steve,
I wont sell my gearcase for what Ron is asking for his.
There is know comparison Ron's gearcase was put together out of used parts from other cases. My gearcase has all new parts. Everything except the case itself)

Also, just a heads up on the gearcase from Seaway. Check the overall length dimension they are short. We bought one a couple of years ago and found this out when I was shapeing it.
I talked to them about getting them all fixed but Seaway said they were going to leave it up to the guys buying them because they had to cleaned up anyway since the cast was so rough.

As far as i know they haven't produced any new ones lately and are probably pulling from the same stock.

[RabidGatorFan]

Thanks for the heads up Jeff. If the overall dimension is short, what is the fix? Where do you add length to?

I will have to think about your gearcase.

Thanks,

Steve
SCI Materials #30.

[RabidGatorFan]

Ok. I just downloaded the 45 Specs off the OPC Website. I will measure all my cases and make sure they meet the dimensions.

Thanks,

Steve
SCI Materials #30.

[sst45jefff]

You have to take it to someone that can weld aluminiun and have them add some material to the end & sides of the point so you can blend the sides back into the longer point.

[RabidGatorFan]

Jeff,

I haven't measured it yet, but that is exactly what it looks like Sea-Way did already. The entire gearcase is still in cast form, but about a two-inch leading edge of the point of the nose cone looks like it has been smoothed (with machining marks still in the area, not completely smoothed and polished).

When you got your short case from Sea-Way, did it look like this?

Here are some pics of my new gearcase. Yes, there is a vice mark in the one pic that I will have to rub out when it gets shaped. The pics are kind of blurry but you can see what was done.

Thanks,

Steve
SCI Materials #30.

[Ron Hill]

I have a used 45 gearcase that John Gibbs shaped. Bill Curtis had it a part and says it is in excellent condition..It is used, I want 900 dollars for it...I will post pictures when I get it from Bill....(I had him open it up and report on the condition..). Bill is the one that said it was worth $900.00....Bill is the man on the west coast that we trust to tell us what 45 stuff is worth...

[sst45jefff]

Steve,
Yes it looks the same, they cleaned some flashing of from the casting. there was even a big square chunk from the casting left on the back of the skeg by the bullet on mine.
they do very minimal cleaning on them.

[RabidGatorFan]

Steve,
Yes it looks the same, they cleaned some flashing of from the casting. there was even a big square chunk from the casting left on the back of the skeg by the bullet on mine.
they do very minimal cleaning on them.

Is this the square chunk you are referring to? I'm not sure why the pics are so blurry. They look fine on my laptop and digi cameras. Thanks.

[sst45jefff]

Is this the square chunk you are referring to? I'm not sure why the pics are so blurry. They look fine on my laptop and digi cameras. Thanks.


Yes that would be the square chunk I was reffering to.

[DKL]

So are the new one's set up for large prop shafts or small?
What happens if you have one of both, fav. prop wont fit one of them right or is there a adapter you can use.:confused:

[sst45jefff]

So are the new one's set up for large prop shafts or small?
What happens if you have one of both, fav. prop wont fit one of them right or is there a adapter you can use.:confused:

The new ones are all large diameter prop shaft.
The old ones which were the first ones built were the small diameter shaft.
They went to the large diameter shaft after the small diameter ones started breaking.

If you are running one with the small diameter shaft, I would recomend you use it as a backup gearcase until you getthe shaft replaced. It will break, it is only a matter of time.

If you have a prop that fits the small diameter shaft and you want to run it on the large diameter shaft. Send the prop to whoever does your prop work and have them bore the whole to fit the large shaft. We all did this at one time to our props to fit the new shafts.

If you have a prop that fits the large diameter prop shaft and you want to run it on the small diamter shaft.
Take a pop can and cut a piece out of it that will fit around the prop shaft with out overlapping and it will work as a shim.
We all did this for a while when the props started being built for the large shaft and we still had the small shaft gearcases.

[Ron Hill]

Anytime you cast anything, somehow the molten metal has to be poured...On these gearcases, they are filled throw that little square...As the fill area usually shrinks, and it is better to have a piece that is cut off to shrink, rather than the gearcase...

All the housing I saw cast, for Sea Way Marine, had this same squrae piece.

[sst45jefff]

Both of my cases are small shaft, as are all of my props. When they are ready to be serviced I will change them over. Are there any service manuals for these cases that spec out the end play for the shafts/ set up ect. Also what is the official Manf. name of these cases,,,, ??? I have the parts book that's about it.

Yes there is service info with the specs in the original owners manual.
The cases were all built for racing by OMC originally, now they are built by Seaway in lots as they need them to keep stock available for the class.
If you have never worked on a gearcase than I wouldnt advise taking one apart and trying to put a new shaft in it.
You will end up with a $1,800.00 piece of junk.
The tolerances are very precise on making the grears mesh right.
You need specific tools that are made for doing the 45 gearcases and you cant buy them you have to make them or improvise.

I wouldnt wait until you think it needs servicing.
You realy need to get the large diameter shaft put in one of your gearcase before it breaks and you lose the prop and possibly the inards to the gearcase. They are not happy campers when they break at high RPM.
It will break sooner than later if it has a lot of time on it.
They were breaking left & right when OMC put out the recomondation with the new shaft part #.

If everything else inside is good it can be can taken apart, new shaft put in and re-shimmned. There are very few that I have taken apart and redone that dont at least need new bearings and seals and there is ussually staining or pitting on the gears, which indicates they are going to go out soon. Its not worth it to take them apart and not fix them right. when they gears go out you lose everything inside & sometimes the case.

I am really surprised that you or anybody has a gearcase still with the small shaft in it.

[sst45jefff]

Anytime you cast anything, somehow the molten metal has to be poured...On these gearcases, they are filled throw that little square...As the fill area usually shrinks, and it is better to have a piece that is cut off to shrink, rather than the gearcase...

All the housing I saw cast, for Sea Way Marine, had this same squrae piece.

Thanks for the clarification Ron. I am sure some people didnt know why it was there.

What I was trying to point out was that they dont clean them up and it was in the same shape as the one I got from Seaway about three years ago.
Indicating they more than likely had not welded up the nose to make the case meet the minimium length spec.

[DKL]

Well,,,, I measured the prop shafts on both of my gear cases and seems they are indeed large shaft after all:) They looked to be at around .715-.720 o.d.
I never really payed that much attention to them before as to what they were.:o

[sst45jefff]

So are the new one's set up for large prop shafts or small?
What happens if you have one of both, fav. prop wont fit one of them right or is there a adapter you can use.:confused:

So if they are large shaft, than what prop are you trying to put on that is to big ?

[DKL]

Jeff, I was just proposing a question as to what someone could do if they had one of each shaft size and how they could make it work in a pinch,,,, shimming would be the only way.

I guess it is unlikely that there are many around that are small shaft anymore.
I never really checked mine before yesterday so I was unsure what they were ,as the guy I purchased the boat from didn't tell me anything about changing the shafts out,,,,,,,but he didn't tell me about him using Bondo to fill cracks in the bottom of the boat either:rolleyes:now that that one is biting me in the butt ,I wanted to make sure what I had , so now thats cleared up it's one less thing to worry about:)
Thanks for your information, you can never learn to much in this sport.

[chill]

When I first started in this class 15 years ago, we only had the small shaft. As the big shafts came into play, we would use a Dr. Pepper can to shim the propeller. It worked fine. Today, I don't think I would run my best prop with a small shaft, but it would get you out of a bind.

[bowman]

I remember that sitting on the bank in Indio with Chad, he hands me a prop and said put it on. I said it doesent fit,:confused: UHHHH cut up a can and shim it Chad said. I close my eyes and remember that like yesterday. That was my first boat race, and i lurned somthing new. And none the less I am still with Hill Racing. I love those guys, but man do they know how to shortcut in a pinch.:D

Bowman

[Evinross]

I have been reading your thread and learned why my 45 gearcases have two different propshaft diameters. I am concerned as my smaller propshaft case is newer and runs the better props.
Thanks Jeff that is good advice; to have the small props bored out and just use the larger diameter case until I can have the smaller one changed over.
Can you guys recommend someone to do the work (changing the small shaft to a large one), and are the large prop shafts easy to find?
Thanks in advance for your help, I appreceate all that I glean from the threads from you experts

[sst45jefff]

Evinross,
I have done alot of the 45 gearcases over the years.
If you need a new shaft put in just let me know.
Seaway stocks the shafts. And I just checked they are in stock.
When you decide to do it you can save on the shipping buy having the parts shipped to me and I get them next day, since I am 60 miles from Seaway.
Just keep in mind that sometimes I open up the gearcases to put shafts in them and the gears are ready to go due to rust spotting and flaking from wear.
If it has been taken care of and not gotten water in it it will be a quick swap of the shaft and reshiming of the gears.

[Evinross]

Thanks sst45Jeff,
I would like to change the smaller shaft to a larger one, and if you are interested would like to have you do it, I don't want to "fail forward" trying to do it myself and ruin my gearfoot. It is great that propshafts are in stock at Sea way.
I live in Rochester, New York, shipping the gearfoot to you will probably be fairly costly, any rough ideas on shipping costs to you and back?
I have a slight catch as far as a timetable, based on my being a full time college student with little flex cash. Would you still want to perform the work in the summer, like June, July, I will have more cash then, but you will probably be busy racing around the country.
I understand that you can run into more problems once you open up the foot. Is this an appropriate setting to ask you for a best and worse case scenario as far as cost? This may help me start the process sooner.
Thank you, your help is greatly appreceated.

[sst45jefff]

Evinross,

I sent you an email.
The best case would be if everything else is good and being able to just changing the shaft. Parts & labor around $350.00

[hessonracer04]

thats deffinaly a 45 gearcase :)