Tri Hull Question and Answer

[Ron Hill]

Ron Hill
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: Tri Hull Class......


> Hi Ron.............Hope all is well on the left coast. A friend of mine
> that I talked to today asked me what I thought about Tri Hull racing. It
> sound like fun and I told him I would e-mail you and find out some info
> about it. Is there a copy of any rules, suggestions, limitations I can
> give him? He is also trying to get me involved. I just don't know how
> many guys it would take to lift the transom so it can be
> roped............Any information would be appreciated.
> Thanks..................Charley

[john miffco]

hey ron
the rules are on the tri hull 101 thread
1st page

what does he mean lifting transom to be roped?
also what region is interested that he is in?
you can shoot him to me and i can answer any questions he has
713 946 9097
john

[Ron Hill]

We used to lift the MOTHER and pull the string....

Miffco, you must be younger than you LOOK!!!!!

[john miffco]

actually older than i LOOK,,,,,, :cool:

well you see i started racing boats 1981
now thats back there ,,,
only 26yrs,,, thought that was enough

i started and still race V6 mercs
theres no rope:) :) :) :)
24 volts starters to light it up,,,,,,,

i was in an inflatable with a 9hp
(smallest boat ive ever been in yet)
a few weeks ago at the wooden boat show in lousiana
saw some old boats that made me feel like a baby
john

[DKL]

We used to lift the MOTHER and pull the string....

Miffco, you must be younger than you LOOK!!!!!

Thats funny Right there:eek: :D We'll take up a collection and get you some of that
Oil Of Olay John;)

[F-12]

Since I come from racing in the PRO catagory my whole life (46 years) I just thought I would throw in the pick up the transom comment to be funny. I can't imagine racing anything that doesn't require a couple guys to lift and Gene East to pull the rope................BUT.............Trihull racing sounds like it would be a fun weekend and make it affordable enough for some of us guys in other divisions to bring the family and not brake the bank getting involved. Tim and Cory's post are great and I always see the families right there having fun. I am in Florida and don't know where the closest races would be and wold appreciate notice about where and when one in the southeast is happening. I listened to Ron in Depue telling me that I need to see this to believe it and I'm taking him up on it. PLUS I have a good friend that is a certified OMC tech that wants to come along. Any info would be appreciated. Burning gas does however concern me. But I think I can adapt. Thanks...................

[Ron Hill]

I don't know where you boat for FUN, but we boat at Needles, California. We can go up river until we run out of water....sometimes we make it clear to Bullhead City and Laughlin....But usually, we just go until we hit a sand bar or rock or two!!!!....Then, we decide it is too shallow to keep going and we float back...

Or we can go down river to Havasu City and Parker Dam... 40 miles up and 56 miles down.......In the old days, we could go for miles and days without seeing anyone. Things have changed and I'm not pointing any fingers just a statement that things have changed.

Boats go well over 100 MPH and Sea Doos go close to 70 all day long....Seems to me, that playing around on the river, with a Tri Hull, with roll cage and all, you might have a fighting chance if a Sea Doo decided to jump in the boat with you or if a fast boat ran over you.....Maybe not, best offense is defense, but having a roll cage around you and bright colors with numbers, at least someone might see you...

I've been to about 40 million races in my life where we got "BLOW OUT" and I don't mean "DRUNK" "BLOWN OUT"....I mean THE WIND BLEW US OUT...

Seems to me, in a Tri Hull...They'd line you up and RACE...wind, rain, sleet or snow....Two 15 laps qualifiers or such and then a 30 lap Main...60 laps is enough racing for anyone.......

Rod Zapf thinks we could race in OPEN OCEAN on the Sailboat course at King Harbor. I could see us racing in Ensenada Bay...They've always had MONEY, just too rough for REAL RACE BOATS.......

Salton Sea....A Tri Hull would be in Hill Billy Heaven!!!!



Tri Hulls could race on part of a lake...would not have to close the whole lake for a race....

Break your motor, go to a dealer and find another in trhe junk pile...

WIN, WIN, WIN as I see TRI HULLS!!!!

BRF 24 Hour Tri Hullathon!!!!

[corey thibodaux]

For a small fee Bob Schubert and Carelton Callahan are avaliable to lift the transom while you spin it with the 24 volt starter.:D

[Skoontz]

Ron:

Did not the envirowhackos put the stop to Salton Sea racing because of something or another that happened to the salt?

[Bunker Hill]

Bill,
I has little to do with the enviornmentalists, they, I am afraid, will be a greater and greater P.I.T.A. than they are now! Salton Sea however is a complete disaster! The water is so caustic it is really rpidly becomming a DEAD sea! Years and years of agriculture run off with no drainage in short, Salton Sea is a mess!! I wouldn't want to race there for the simple reason that I wouldn't want to com in contact with the water, that's not even touching it, let alone having an accident and ending up in the water!

[Skoontz]

Richard:

Lake iIrvie is a good place for testing if not for several things....The cost is $100.00. Only one boat is allowed into the water at a time, so, if 10 boats show up, each waits it's turn...It wittles down to about $7.50 per minute you can use the water...No complaints, just cost prohibitic=ve, so we are going to do San Vincente and C'bad lagoon after the state gives me my plates..

Last, techincally, I was told not to stand in the water, which, won't be an issue, KT's new engines will all have elctric start, she is 40 lbs under weight in A, and about 25 in AXS so that should work well. But, how does one start a rope start engine without standing in the water? I might have to build a super duper water platform about water elvel so one can stand on the wood....

Far as Salton Sea, I had been told by several of the old racers who ran there that the Enviros originally pitched a gripe to the state becuase they claim the motors were hurting the salt or so non sense such as that.....

I found a new private lake down at the boarder, and the guy lost everything on his 396 acres after 4 illegal aliens encamped on a corner of the land let their bunson burner tip over and start the fire....... Anyhow, we are voulnteering time to scrape his lot and trench sewer/water/elec....He is open to allowing us to test there, with no regs, and he would also perhaps be talked into a sanctioned race there....Problem is, it's about 15 miles south of where Jesus lost his sandals..

[ricochet112]

Ron:

Did not the envirowhackos put the stop to Salton Sea racing because of something or another that happened to the salt?

Last night on the History channel Modern Marvels had a segment on the Salton Sea, it was very interesting.

The Salton Sea, located about 130 miles east of San Diego (in Imperial County), is a saline lake that was formed in a large basin (called the Salton Trough ) created by a releasing bend of the San Andreas fault. In modern times, the Salton Trough, a desert basin whose center is 278 feet below sea level, became a lake in 1891, but dried up within a year. It began to form again in 1893. In 1905, the Colorado River flooded and was accidentally diverted into the Salton Trough, thus creating the Salton Sea. The Salton Sea was originally a fresh water lake. Because it is a closed system, with no outlet, water is lost only through evaporation. The salts from the surrounding environment have been concentrated in the sea for many years, and now it is more saline than the ocean. The sun evaporates 18% of the sea's volume every year, but the salt is left behind. Evaporation also concentrates pesticides and other pollutants. http://visearth.ucsd.edu/VisE_Int/aralseahtml/SaltSea.intro.html


The following is an excerpt from;http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=639

One of the world's largest inland seas, Salton Sea was created by accident in 1905 when increased flooding on the Colorado River allowed water to crash through canal barriers and for the next 18 months the entire flow of the Colorado River rushed downhill into the Salton Trough. By the time engineers were finally able to stop the breaching water in 1907, the Salton Sea had been born - 45 miles long and 20 miles wide - equalling 110 miles of shoreline.

[Skoontz]

Despite very large numbers of scientists reporting that everything from global warming to numerous types of pollution from run offs is junk science, we have a record number of grant applications to produce studies attempting to substantiate enviros claims.... There are 3 siginificant things left out of the Salton Sea reports, that I know through my work with soils are pertanate. Specific soil composition in under and around the Sea. Absorbtion ratio per part of water. Soil chemicals, and how they interact with salt, any chemical that may or may not run off into the sea, and what happens with when water is introduced. Assuming a person has time to watch television, (I do not, as there are far more important things to do with my time) one must factor in the author, and editors view points as they want most mind knumbed viewers to se them.

Anyhow, we are sidestepping the tri hull thread....I asked a question based off the probability of racing the Salton Sea, and why racing there terminated.

[Ron Hill]

I've found a 140 EXTRA LONG and I've also found an 88 HP Evinrude...Short (On long I guess)...

Is it possible to leave these two motors in the garage for awhile and they might become a Tri Hull Motor.....Or no way??? Looks to me, like I could use all the 140 stuff and just swap out the mid section...

Will the 88 have the right gear ratio....? Can I use the 88 drive shaft on the 140 case??

Tahnking all in advance for help....seems I still want a TRI HULL.

[tthibodaux]

I've found a 140 EXTRA LONG and I've also found an 88 HP Evinrude...Short (On long I guess)...

Is it possible to leave these two motors in the garage for awhile and they might become a Tri Hull Motor.....Or no way??? Looks to me, like I could use all the 140 stuff and just swap out the mid section...

Will the 88 have the right gear ratio....? Can I use the 88 drive shaft on the 140 case??

Tahnking all in advance for help....seems I still want a TRI HULL.Long as it's a crossflow 140 it'll work. The 88,90,100,110 112,115 and 140 all had the same gearcase and were the same block just exhaust and carberation differences so your in good shape!

Whatever you do don't get rid of either cowling or pan because your going to need them!!