Applying for a World Record

[Ron Hill]

When Ted and I started BRF, one goal was an ENCYCLOPEDIA, where anyone could find out whoever might have raced a boat. A place where you could type in a new like Chauncey DePue and find out there was, or is a Chauncey who raced A-B hydros and lived in Surfside, California.....

Anyway, a second goal was a NO SPAM ZONE for boat racing talk...

A third goal was not to be like "We've always been"..... and part of that was promoting races, reunions, boat shows and world records, not to skip over promoting The National Pepper Association...

BRF Speed Records will be a speed certificate from BRF. You must tell us what your boat is. Give us a GPS speed....Depending on who read the GPS your record might be a Silver Record, Gold Record or Pure BS Record.....Wait, I mean Patinum Record.

[nightwing]

i don't about a speed record. but i might hold the high record 4 csh at parker last april lol.

kevin

[Dago Fast]

i don't about a speed record. but i might hold the high record 4 csh at parker last april lol.

kevin

Kevin, Can you post your certificate for Sport C radar speed?

Thanks and Happy New Year to you and your dad.

Jim

[Pop990]

The picture of the certificate needs to be resized to post here and I don't know how, but the official speed was 62.034 set at Parker Nov. 24, 1995.

[Skoontz]

That was when Kevin was attempting to do freestyle motocross with a C hydro...Kevin, you got 240 of the 360° needed to land on the bottom!

[David Weaver]

About four years ago, my trusty GPS registered 150 mph at DePue during testing for the Nationals with a 250cc hydro. Certainly, a GPS cannot lie!! and Joe Johnson can verify the reading....OK, OK perhaps the +/- for the Sattelite was a little wider than normal that day!!!

Anyway, it was good for laugh and lot's of "BS"....

[nightwing]

ya i know i need to work on the landing lol.

[Master Oil Racing Team]

When non boat racers used to ask me how fast one of my rigs would go I used to tell them I set a kilo record at 177 km/h. They were always wowed by that because most Americans just hear the numbers and can't put it into perspective with mph.;):D. So if your GPS can do it in kilometers, that would be a fun thing to take a look at.:)

[Bill Van Steenwyk]

Wayne:

Whenever I hear someone mention boat speeds, especially fast readings, I remember the story your Dad told about the neighbour on Lake Corpus Christi that had the big ski/drag jet drive runabout and was always coming up in your cove when you were testing to see who was fastest. Of course whenever he would show up you all had to stop because of his wake. The way I remember the story was he was telling your Dad how fast his boat was (over 100 MPH) and as your Dad knew better he agreed to a contest pitting you in your D against him. He had to start slightly behind you and both of you on plane so his wake would not cause an accident, and when the flag was dropped or whatever happened to start the contest, you ran off and hid from him BAD.
He came into the bank and started making excuses to Baldy saying his boat must have a problem, etc., etc., as he could easily exceed 100 MPH anytime he wanted on his speedometer. He had a jet drive and upon examination your Dad determined when the pitot tube was mounted it was in the exaust of the jet drive, so the readings he was getting were the impeller exaust water stream and not the true speed of the boat. I seem to remember your Dad
did't bother to tell him where the high readings were coming from and just let him believe you all had a really fast D hydro.

[tthibodaux]

Wayne:

Whenever I hear someone mention boat speeds, especially fast readings, I remember the story your Dad told about the neighbour on Lake Corpus Christi that had the big ski/drag jet drive runabout and was always coming up in your cove when you were testing to see who was fastest. Of course whenever he would show up you all had to stop because of his wake. The way I remember the story was he was telling your Dad how fast his boat was (over 100 MPH) and as your Dad knew better he agreed to a contest pitting you in your D against him. He had to start slightly behind you and both of you on plane so his wake would not cause an accident, and when the flag was dropped or whatever happened to start the contest, you ran off and hid from him BAD.
He came into the bank and started making excuses to Baldy saying his boat must have a problem, etc., etc., as he could easily exceed 100 MPH anytime he wanted on his speedometer. He had a jet drive and upon examination your Dad determined when the pitot tube was mounted it was in the exaust of the jet drive, so the readings he was getting were the impeller exaust water stream and not the true speed of the boat. I seem to remember your Dad
did't bother to tell him where the high readings were coming from and just let him believe you all had a really fast D hydro.Thats a funny story!;):D

[nightwing]

lol i used to race jet boats in my sport c all the time. sport c ran like 55 to 60

kevin

[Master Oil Racing Team]

It's a great story Bill Van and I heard my Dad tell it many times, except there are several mistakes in your telling of it. As many may not know, you were a frequent visitor so you would have heard my Dad tell the story often to others as well and over time your memory has migrated that story about 1500 miles further south.

It actually happened to Tim Butts when he lived in Michigan, and it was with his A or B hydro that he raced the guy. Tim was trying to test and the guy kept bugging him so Tim figured that to shut him up, he had to go up against him. The guy was amazed at how fast Tim's little boat would go. He figured Tim must be making around 120.

Can't says I blame you;) for it happens to all of us.:D But the basics are all true.

[Bill Van Steenwyk]

Wayne:

I would not doubt at all that the actual event took place with Tim Butts, BUT as you remember I was one of your Dad's favorite people he liked to tell stories to, with a little fact stretching, and I specifically remember the way I recited it was the way he told it to me. I will admit I don't remember some events of the 70's but I do remember most of his tall tales, as I admired him so much.

Knowing him as you did, I am sure you wouldn't be surprised if he embelished the tale a little bit and put it in the first person for my benefit, especially the way he liked to pull my chain.

Whether it was you or Tim, it really is a funny story, and in keeping with the subject of this thread. I often think how much he would have enjoyed the internet and especially this website.

[Master Oil Racing Team]

Okay Bill Van...,I will concede that may Dad did do some embellishment with the stories and a very hearty laugh after the punch line.... and like a big catfish in a hole....he would suck in potential baitfish that ventured close, but I am guessing that the beer gently ages the braincells.;):D Now here is what I have to confess.;) I may not have been around when you, Jack Chance and Ray Hardy last heard that tale from my Dad. Jack would have backed him up.:D There was a year and a half where you guys were sometimes at my Dad's house and I wasn't. In any case, it was funny and I always get a smile and think of my Dad and Tim when I hear it.:D:cool:

[Bill Van Steenwyk]

Wayne:

As you probably remember I am 12 years older than you. Courtesy of Anheuser Busch, my brain cells are 137 years older. That reminds me of another story about a fellow who used to drink a lot of Black Jack Daniels. It had the effect of making him think he was the old comic book, radio character, 'THE SHADOW". who could press his wrist and make himself invisable. This person got in a lot of trouble sometimes because he thought he could do the same thing and nobody would see what he was doing. I seem to remember a story about him falling down the steps several times in a South Texas jail. Seems the keepers didn't like his Chicago accent. I guess we need to get back on the BS thread and tell a few more of those stories.

[speed racer]

hey guys new to your site but it looks like im in the right company !i have a question ,according to the whos who of boat racing in australia a boat called bullet1 holds the world mono-hull,single outboard engined world speed record at 127mph and has done so for over 20yrs ?could some1 confirm this at all ?i am in the proccess of putting together a 5.2mtr tunneldek bullet with a full house s3000 ,12"mid and a #6,so before i go after 130mph it would be nice to get some clarity on the official record ,any feedback or imput would be appreciated

[Ron Hill]

Unless UIM has a recorded record, I don't know the speed of a V Hulled Outboard...I've heard amazing speeds, but, truth is...No one I know has ever run a kilo WITH an S-3000..

130 seems possible...
Seems Randy Peirson went like 147, on You Tube or something is a MOD VP Boat...

Hard to find history if there is none...

[Bunker Hill]

Seems to me that I saw something somewhere from the early '80s where a guy went very fast, high 120's I think, in an allison with a turbo charged OMC, hopped up by Land and Sea

Not 100% clear though

Bunker

[Ted March]

Ran around 129 two way average with an Allison 2002 and a modified 2.4. This was prior to 2.5's and capsules. I'm tying to get the exact numbers.

Glenn won the IOGP Mod VP Championship driving a Vision Craft in it's final year.

[Ted March]

TO TED
THE BEST ONE WAY WAS 129.87 AND THE AVERAGE WAS 128.65.
THIS WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
WITH THE NEW ENGINES NOW DAYS WE COULD GO MUCH FASTER WITH THE SAME SET UP.
THANKS GLENN
______________________________
As stated above: a modified 2.4 powered Allison XR2002. Two way kilo average through the traps. No turbo.

TM

[Bunker Hill]

Ted...
I am sure that what you are quoting abouy the Allison and th merc 2.4 is 100% true
I still recall somethin about a Land and Sea turbo outboard that scorched the traps....
Seems it was a few more years back than 20

Bunker

[Ted March]

What you're referring to was back in the 70's when Land and Sea was marketing turbos for outboards. In fact I've been digging around today trying to find an old Land & Sea Catalog that refers to to that run..... with a little luck I'll come up with it.....all I'm saying is

Glenn's run was a sanctioned two way average through the traps and was not turbocharged.

[Bunker Hill]

Seems that there is/was a magazine advert with photos of the contraption, no speed claimd though, it was avail on Ebay
I would like to find the info that I aforementioned

Bunker

[Ted March]

Found it on the inside back cover of Land & Sea Catalog #17. Was wrong on the year L&S started marketing turbos. Catalog says 1982.

[Bunker Hill]

Whew!!!!
Now I will be able to sleep at night!!
Thanks Ted!!

[looseunit225]

what the record for a single rig tri hull?

[Ron Hill]

BRF records are free, just need to apply....

[looseunit225]

i 've pulled 95.6mph towing one skier!

was using a 29 Srx prop spinning it to near 7,000rpms on a 225 vindicator that has had alot of work!

we dont know what the boat did with boat only as the time we went to take it out boat only it **** the fuel pump and no the engine is a reserve and we have a knew one on the go!

[speed racer]

hows it goin mate ?what sort of boat are you running?tri-hull?and a question to ron ,what sort of bottom on the mod vp that ran 147 ,is it a straight vee like a bullet/allison or is it like a labsport /tri-hull so to speak ,

[looseunit225]

hey speed racer sounds like your from Australia as well qouting "bullet and "labsport" hulls!

my hull is a 1750 labsport

its MOC boat!

where abouts you from? you race your self?

[speed racer]

gotcha mesg ,ive gota tunnel deck bullet ,spose youd call it a hybrid as such different deck n sides and its been lenghtnd reinforced ,hand made dynel deck very aerodynamic ,runs very flat n hi at high speeds ,just wrapn it in carbon fibre ,then im dropn a full house 2.5l s3000 f1 motor ,12"mid mk6 gearbox ,motor built by 1 of the best world f1 mechanics @9650rpm its pushn round 400hp runin f1 cleavers ,hopn to make it to bundy !we see ,im also putn a 20ft tennessee {allison}together as a social skier with a 2.5 on it ,might put a zport engine on it down the track should be an interesting drive ,not a ski racer

[looseunit225]

nice nice sounds like your gonna get that tunnel deck really moving!

im actually just making plans for a big weekend down here to try and break the 100mph braket!
im running a 250 Omc with extensive port work and alot of front half work done to it as well as low amp ignition 15" taylor mid and a hole lot of other go fast bits on it!

we think we are going to be arround the 320hp on pump gas and we are going to bump the comp up soon to run avgas and hopefully squeze 350hp out of the engine!

[Ron Hill]

When you make a run with this boat or any other for a BRF Record. post the picture and GPS Speed...Please state the name of person reading the GPS and any other information that would lend credibility to your speed run..

BRF is planning Speed Record certificates...

Need a form maybe:


Driver's Name:

Boat (With pictures):

Engine:

Location of speed run:

Time: Month/Day/Year

Actual Speed:

Scruitineer (s): (Observer/Signatures/E-mail/Testimonials) Proof that the speed is real..

Any other suggestions to the is form???

[looseunit225]

i think if we are doing it for the record maybe we should get the people to take a picture of the crew that helped setup the boat so that they get some recognition for there achievements!

hmmm photo of the gps! im pretty sure i've got a photo of my old GPS somewhere reading 686MPH YES thats correct my boat broke the sound barrarier! hahahahaha

[Ron Hill]

My goal would be two levels of records....

1. Big Time OFFICIAL TIMING and an EVENT

2. BRF Record.....to give others a feel at how fast boats go...Maybe get a little competition going...

686 is a good GPS speed....My thinking was along the lines of Loosenut saying is went 104 on the GPS and Fred Schwartz was there and saw the run, saw the GPS and says it looked like 104 to him...

BRF record will be just that...BRF records...ANd I will call them record for the Whole Entire World...

[looseunit225]

hahaha good stuff ron!

oviously people do alot of shed racing in the states as well as here hahaha!

ron need your number or something gotta place another order for 3 props!

[Master Oil Racing Team]

I am making an application for a world record for another person....Todd Brinkman, Jr. He would never do this himself. Late Friday afternoon at the World Champhionships at Lake Alfred, he said he wanted to ask me something and to get with him in the morning. When I found him during a slow time between the drivers meeting and the racing, I asked him about his question. He had thought that perhaps I was the first guy to average 100 mph or better on a five mile 1 2/3 mile course. I told him no. I had tried two times, but although the power was there, I didn't have the setup to keep the boat on the water. Those big courses were always at places that didn't allow any testing. He then told me something I had never heard before. I knew he had gotten seriously hurt in a blowover at Lakeland, but I never heard the rest of the story.

In 700 hydro Todd turned the first lap at 101. The second lap was 104. Todd was obviously on track to do more than just break 100...it would have probably been several miles over. Just short of the finish line Todd blew over, thus no official time for that final lap. Todd didn't give me the exact speed down to thousand'ts so I am going to submit 102.237 mph average for Ron's call. Those lap times would have been official had he crossed the finish line before he flipped, so they do represent the true and official speeds. That is a remarkable and historic accomplishment. Unfortunately, the powers that be decided a 1 2/3rds mile course was to dangerous for any future attempts and so did away with those records. Todd proved it could be done, and I don't want such a historic run to go unrecognized.

[J. Sherlock]

I came very, very close with this engine..........

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[David Weaver]

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Unfortunately, the powers that be decided a 1 2/3rds mile course was to dangerous for any future attempts and so did away with those records. Todd proved it could be done, and I don't want such a historic run to go unrecognized.

Wayne,

The races at Lakeland just kept getting scarier and scarier. I love Lakeland, but I do not miss that big race course, where you held your breath and just hoped that a random wind did not come down to the Lake and launch you in the air!! Todd, must have had a great run that day. I have been told that Steve Litzell was on an amazing pace one year in 700, but decided discretion was the better part of valor and backed down when he had huge lead.

We should also give Todd recognition for directing a great event at the World's last weekend. He ran a great show.

DW

[F-12]

Wayne, I think I was there when Todd showed us what he could do at Lakeland. It was unfortunate that he blew over, and much more unfortunate he got hurt as bad as he did. I have never seen performance like that out of a 700 and was impressed at how far he pushed the envelope. Luckily he is still around to make a difference in our great sport, and I have to second David's post.............The Worlds were a wonderful experience. Good job, Todd.

[looseunit225]

hmmmm i just hope i donbt blow over this weekend when i test my boat and engine!

i am recieving my boat back from the fibreglasser on friday and shall be attempting to break 100mph on sunday or monday! we shall just see what happens im not sure wheather the engine is tuned well enough to do it yet!

but i have a 32 pitch ET prop that i brought from ron hill for one purpose and one purpose only!

[looseunit225]

well i tryed to open up the engine on the weekend but no good seems i have some issues with my EGT gauges and a revving problem!

[Ron Hill]

Any speed would be a BRF Record. My "concept" is for anyone having a boat can ESTABLISH a BRF Record...Pictures of the boat, maybe pitures of the GPS. Once someone has a RECORD, the next step would for someone to try to break the record...

I know a guy in Florida, with somewhat of a set up you, running in the mid 70's...Good luck, I will be looking for your record.

[Powerabout]

TO TED
THE BEST ONE WAY WAS 129.87 AND THE AVERAGE WAS 128.65.
THIS WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
WITH THE NEW ENGINES NOW DAYS WE COULD GO MUCH FASTER WITH THE SAME SET UP.
THANKS GLENN
______________________________
As stated above: a modified 2.4 powered Allison XR2002. Two way kilo average through the traps. No turbo.

TM
Was that a 20" engine and a full size gearcase?
If it was WOW!
The OZ record was 12" + speedmaster

[Ted March]

It was with a modified 2.4, a 20' mid section and a full size gear case (not a speedmaster). As Glen says "that was 20 years ago". He sent me that email September 16, 2008.