sst45 tbone in corner

[cyka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03JNKpv3Onc


i dont know how old this is or if anyone has posted it yet but this is my fav on on youtube. is it bad i like the crashes:eek::p

[spn43]

Wow ….that boat inside was going to some other turn……didn’t get the memo on short course lay out.

[DKL]

No kidding,,,when did he plan on making the turn:confused:

[sst45jefff]

Funny thing about that video. It didnt surface until a couple weeks ago. I heard it was around.

I heard allot about this accident when it happend from the father of the driver in the inside boat. (the father was in one of the boats in the outside lanes during the accident) I hadn't seen it so I just took the nuetral corner.

The father of the driver tried to get the cards yanked and a suspension for one year on the driver in the outside boat for not leaving a lane. He thought the driver had been involved in to many accidents (4 or 5) in the last 20 + years of racing.

The outside boat had to get character wittnesses to vouch for his driving abilities to keep from getting his cards yanked and a one year suspension before the next race.

I know some guys I run with on the WFLS circuit every weekend that are involved in an accident of some kind every other race. One driver that was involved in 4 incidents in one weekend and nobody threatened to yank his cards and he was a rookie driver. I think the only talking to he got was from the other drivers.

It was very interesting how far things can go when some one pushes for discipline.

[Ron Hill]

It sure looks like these 45's were running much faster than we run in our series...Fred Miller on the PTT Series started the concept of 35 second courses and I've always liked it...a little more banging, sometimes in the corners, but not the serious speed like this crash...

I KNOW one Rookie 45 driver, Broc Hill, got a talking to from his dad, that when your steering is loose, you come in and park the boat, not keep racing...and causing trouble...

Looking at it again...Did the inside boat start to blow over???? Or was he so busy racing he didn't see the "CONNER"????

[DKL]

looks like the farthest outside boat and the one that hit was going to the next marker, the one that turned and got hit thought it was a short course race . confusion about the course looks like. didn't look like they were setting up to turn at all,,, and yes they looked way fast.

[Ron Hill]

Sure looks like the guy turned on the wrong bouy....Did the red and white boat spin out or just try to get back to the accident???

Seems there might be a need for LARGER turn bouys!

[tthibodaux]

Sure looks like the guy turned on the wrong bouy....Did the red and white boat spin out or just try to get back to the accident???

Seems there might be a need for LARGER turn bouys!The red and white boat spun out but way after the fact. I'll tell you that in my opinion clock starts don't work for tunnel boat racing . Knee riders where you have a sweeping turn yes because you maintain your lane at speed but in a tunnel boat you don't need all those boats at the turn at one time. The dock start makes it to where there is a gap between boats.

[kevin]

Region 10 lost the 45 class that day. BUMMER!

Looks like boat in lane two had overlap to me.

Nice to see this video surface. .... three years later:confused:

[spn43]

The father of the driver tried to get the cards yanked and a suspension for one year on the driver in the outside boat for not leaving a lane. He thought the driver had been involved in to many accidents (4 or 5) in the last 20 + years of racing.

If his son was one on the inside and that was a turn, then his son needed disciplinary action…..leaving the lane….lol….2nd lane boat was ahead….what lane he wants?????.and BTW inside boat never even tried to turn, didn’t even set the boat for the turn …he was in some lala land.

[spn43]

I just watched it again, 2nd lane boat had 3 boat lengths on lane 1 boat……there is nothing to be left open….inside boat 100% at fault, if that’s the turn.

[Ron Hill]

But, do we know that IS the corner?? That red and white boat never started to make the turn and he was lane 3-4, wasn't he?

[kevin]

It all went down at the entrance pin!!!

[tthibodaux]

I'm telling you guys that it's the clock start.. If they had started off the beach they would NOT have been at the turn at the same time.

Never seen tunnel boat clock starts work very well at all.:confused:

[Techteam]

I agree with tthibodaux the clock start didn't help, the top speeds are too close. Last year in our National Championships they rigidly enforced a maintain your line to the first buoy rule which I thought was pointless as the pole boat usually won as you couldn't put the squeeze on him. You went for the fastest flying lap set up and even if you were slow off the dock you maintained the advantage through the first turn. No first turn collisions but the race was usually decided in qualifying.:confused:

[sst45jefff]

I'm telling you guys that it's the clock start.. If they had started off the beach they would NOT have been at the turn at the same time.

Never seen tunnel boat clock starts work very well at all.:confused:

Clock or dock start it only takes two at the first turn. I have been in the first turn on many ocasions with more than two boats looking for the same lane all at the same time with a dock start.
Bottom line is you got to know when to give and when to take.

[sst45jefff]

Sure looks like the guy turned on the wrong bouy....Did the red and white boat spin out or just try to get back to the accident???

Seems there might be a need for LARGER turn bouys!

No he didnt spin out that was his father and he was turning around to go back and help.

Those bouys Ron are the same size we use on the WFLS circuit and it was an inboard race on the same course the inboards use.

[tthibodaux]

Clock or dock start it only takes two at the first turn. I have been in the first turn on many ocasions with more than two boats looking for the same lane all at the same time with a dock start.
Bottom line is you got to know when to give and when to take.I agree with you, more than one boat gets to the turn at the same time. Thats not what I'm saying, with the beach start you have a commitment bouy (dog leg) and then a turn bouy. This makes boats have to slow down just a bit and bend the boat and slow it's momentum.

With the clock start it's a drag race wide *** open and aired out straight to the turn. Lets face it, 45 is a beginners class or has alot of beginners racing in it and they don't always know to think when they have a head of steam and maybe the lead.

It was just an opinion, I just don't think it's a good idea ever. Start them from the dock and the FAST boats get to the corner and they newer drivers get **** in their neck and back off just a little!

If you watch the video, the kid on the inside just drove it off to deep in the corner. You can here the outside boat let of and turn.

[Wild Wayne]

I think most everybody is correct in there view of this wreck. I don't know much about this world but I was definately in lane 3. We came up for the start and John and I were a little early so we backed off a little, Kermit (lane2) and Jeff (lane 4) nailed it. John's boat was really fast as you can see in the closing speed on lane 2 and I was closing also in lane 3. Remember now we're running on a huge inboard course. As I recall the wreck lane 2 was coming to the entrance pin and had overlap? and was leaving lane 1 boat a full lane. You are correct, boat in lane 1 and lane 3 were going to the next bouy when boat in lane 2 hooked. I spun around and came back to assist (lane 3).
Yes, I was very upset at the time, said things I shouldn't have, but I can't change that. Yes I did want somebody to talk to Kermit, he had bin in some incidents in the last 2 years and everybody I talked to said he was overdriving his trim maybe this was the case I don't know.
The one thing that I think I did learn for sure is somewhere in the Pro and OPC overlap rule you can not hang a right or a left if you are going to endanger another boat.
I continually hear I had overlap. Somewhere you drivers have to figure out if you crash you don't finish.

[guedo499]

Funny this finally comes out; its been out there for quite a while. The course was gigantic, something like 1 2/3's mile to 2 miles. Here in Region 10, OPC's often race with one of the inboard clubs which usually means a very large, broad-cornered course. Think of it this way, there are at least 8 buoys per turn (5 seconds between buoys, going 45 speed, coming up to the clock start) and to race a 35 second course eluded to earlier would literally be done racing from the entrance pin to the exit pin (single pin turns) of the same corner! On those type of courses, you never would want to "set" an OPC but rather float it through the corner. In my experience thus far, floating that style of boat thought the corner is much more difficult that pinning a corner.

It is very unfortunate what happened - two boats destroyed - especially since I have since set two 45 records but where not eligible because of "not enough boats". Karma maybe? All water under the bridge, the other driver and myself have made peace and now the video goes into the vast expanses of internet history for all to give judgment and opinions...

John

Best thing about the whole deal, I had a couple of lady-friends see the wreck live, and trust-you-me, I didn't let that go to waste....

[spn43]

So was that a turn point or not?

[guedo499]

So was that a turn point or not?

Yes it was. The Lane Two boat did leave me a full lane on the entrance pin (fact)...maybe a situation of being too considerate?(opinion) If the Lane Two boat would have taken lane 1 much earlier and not left a lane, forcing the Lane One boat to react earlier, a "what if" situation could apply here.(opinion)