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capnzee
12-03-2004, 12:20 PM
Some of the best racing I have ever experienced was driving the Parker Races after Ron Hill got too old to drive and he decided to sell props on the shore while John Castelli and I drove his boat. Well, the Parker lost its zing when it went to less than 5 hours. The inboards couldn't last even 5 hours and gave way to the outboards. Never could understand why our "crack" engine builders on the west coast could not keep an inboard engine running for more than 20 laps or so and the outboards just kept on ticking.
Recently I have contacted Ross W and Ann H to see what their thoughts were on getting a real endurance race going again. Ross was full of support but he felt he had run the gammit and there was not enough interest left to go to the huge effort he had put in the past. In fact, after days of preparation and a very nice prize package, with dozens of "promises", he ended up with about 15 boats, maybe less. This is for shame unless boat racers really don't want to race, maybe the "nostalgia" class is the place to be for these guys, they can talk all day about what they used to do. Ann Hoban said none of the "endurance" boats could make it for more than a few moments. Ted Kolby, owner of the BODY SNATCHER said he would build an engine that would last if we could get a true endurance race going again. I know Ted and he WOULD! Ron Hill said there are not enough outboards that would be willing to come to an endurance race, what with the factories no longer interested. The Mod V-P's are almost non-existant any more certainly not on the racing circuit, but maybe we could get them out of storeage for an "old time" race.
My thoughts are the factories may be interested if there was a class for their "green" (4-cycle) engines. The Mod V's and Production V's may get interested if they didn't have to run 20,000 dollar engines but could still win. The inboards MAY still have enough pride left in them to see if they could run more than fifteen minutes and stand a chance of beating the outboards. Hell a Jaguar engine won one of the last races and most Jaguar engines I know won't even run in a passenger car for very long. So there is certainly a chance for any one in a properly run race! Now, if I haven't P---ed everyone off yet or insulted enough of you and you care to keep reading, here goes.
I would propose an inverted start or, and I hate to call it this-so I won't) a handicap start. Remember, these are all thoughts and subject to huge changes, I would think about a race of 300 miles on a course of around 3 miles. The slow boats could run this distance in around 5 hours and the fast boats would run it in 3 hours with the other classes some where in the middle. I would think the GN's could average 70 MPH ( pit stops included) and the Production outboards should be able to average 75 MPH. These speeds and the inverted start would be based on past races. Ann Hoban believes she could put together enough history to validate the times to make it a really good race, with one overall winner, 2nd place etc. Ron Hill has offered to buy the trophies for individual classes. Ross has offered to help in any way he can from a promoter and official point of view. At this point, everything above is not much more than a dream and,without interest,will remain just that.
There is a GN meeting in the very near future, I believe it is a week from Sunday. Hopefully this subject will be brought up for discussion. For more information on the meeting, contact Ann Hoban (760) 665-8098. This and more from Capnzee My thoughts were not to cause anger but to stir the competitive spirits in some of you old guys that remember boat racing during the good times and you young guys who think this is the good times!

Mike Fjeld
12-03-2004, 05:32 PM
I can't speak for any of the other SuperSport drivers, but I would love to do this. I am sure this race would be in the west and would be diffucult for the Florida boys, but I would make the trip if I could run. Maybe an exibition for SuperSport????

capnzee
12-03-2004, 06:57 PM
Mike, don't worry about running, If enough interest builds I will find a place for every boat to race. I would like to build the heart of the race around the GN endurance?? boats and the Mod VP's. I happen to be a Bushman and love it when he says "nobody left behind". That will be the motto around which I will build this race, all I need is more from guys like you to keep me going! You gotta "cracker" with a 50 gallon tank, you gotta race. You gotta "rope jerker" that will run 50 mph and you want to race, you gotta race! Bass boats wanna run? you gotta race! Nobody is left behind. Pitch in and give me a hand stirring the pot! Capnzee

chill
12-03-2004, 07:01 PM
Well Rod,

I’m not retired like you so I only skimmed through your short story of a post, but you are correct. We need another Parker Nine Hour. You have my full support. What we need to do is get a website linked up for it with registration, information on the race and boats that are already signed up. We should charge a $700 up front entrée fee in which $500 will be returned once you start the race. So, if some one wants to come they can run entire race for the win and Big money of course, or one lap for the $500. Either way, we have a firm commitment of drivers showing up to the race and we have the commitment well in advance. I know if I send $700 in, I will be there even if my hopped up race boat is not ready, I’ll take a lap in the family sky boat to get my $500. This will eliminate the problem Ross has had with people saying “Oh ya, an Enduro, hell I’ll be there” then backing out on the commitment.
So with that Rod, we can do it. “If you build it they will come”

capnzee
12-03-2004, 10:53 PM
Before I get too far out ahead of myself, let me say that we are looking into the insurance and a place for the race to be held. Currently under consideration is of course numero uno PARKER! In addition we are thinking about Needles, Havasu, Laughlin etc etc. This thread is getting some attention so there may still be some real racers out there! Ron Hill is working on the insurance end at this time and I will keep you all informed as this thread works its way out and we get more subscribers that transforms into interest. I appreciate all of your thoughts so keep'm coming, in short, "lets roll"! Capnzee

march3stv
12-04-2004, 09:17 AM
Parker? I don't even know her!

Miss BK
12-04-2004, 01:10 PM
The Parker Enduro was ALWAYS such a blast. It would be awesome to see it come back. I'd even sit in the bleachers keeping score for 9 hours again! :)

But I think the big problem of running a course of more than a mile will be securing all those private docks. I think that is mainly what killed it in the first place; race boats crashing into private docks on the river, and sometimes even with people on them! :eek:

After one dock sitting photographer sued everyone after getting hit by an errant tunnel boat in the 80's, insurance companies said "no way". :(

I loved that race so much I even named my son "Parker".


The late Mitch Lembke winning the 9 hour Parker Enduro in his Jaguar V-12 powered Silverwing.

capnzee
12-04-2004, 01:21 PM
Beautiful picture Miss BK. I remember it well! Who says inboards won't last --I guess it just takes the British to build one. If we get that far we will come looking for you, scorers are as important as the racers. I may try to post some of the old pics I have driving #9. One year an Eliminator with a V-8, Another year with a Yamaha powered Lavey. Another with a Sleek and another with Hydrostream. Any one else out there with BK's spirit? Capnzee

Mike Fjeld
12-04-2004, 01:24 PM
Hi Val, it's great to see your posts again.

I haven't been to Parker for about 20 years ( boy, I'm getting older than I thought ) Is there a stretch of 1 1/2 miles that has no docks ?

Having a endurance race at Parker would be great. It would be worth the 40+ hour drive from central Florida

Miss BK
12-04-2004, 01:46 PM
Great to see you on here too Mike!


Capnzee,

I've got a picture from Team Hill Marine in Parker 1986. Wasn't that the year the V-8 ran? I see Wart here, but are you in this picture anywhere?

Mike Fjeld
12-04-2004, 03:12 PM
What time of the year are you thinking for this race?

capnzee
12-04-2004, 05:28 PM
I need enough time to tie up the loose ends and do the job right! I almost think it would take as long as a year to put it together. At the moment, I have to ensure there is interest and then we need to find the boats. Insurance and boats are the major items. I was actually thinking of a month later than we used to run which would be in April--not too hot, not too cold. If I get this thing rolling, I will go to the folks who have the experience and seek their advice. In the mean time, I sure get enthused looking at the pics and hearing from all you "young" guys. Keep all those cards and letters coming and I'll learn how to put a picture on this thread. No, I was under the boat. Night before stuff! Capnzee

Mike Fjeld
12-04-2004, 05:48 PM
Spring is a beautiful time in the desert. I can't tell you how much I miss it. I understand what a huge endevor this would be. One of the SuperSport drivers is connected with a boat transport service and has acsess to a trailer that could haul 4 or 5 boats. With enough time and planning who knows???? I know that most of the drivers in our class would love to run an endurance race. We will drive 1000 miles to run 10 or 20 laps, maybe we could go 2000 to run 300 miles ;)

Miss BK
12-04-2004, 05:54 PM
Me too, Mike. Me too.


One year, my brother flew his father in law's plane to Parker and took me up to fly over the race course. We followed the leader (Jimbo) around the course. That was too cool.


It looked a little like this:


Moovalya Keys, Parker AZ

Mike Fjeld
12-04-2004, 06:09 PM
That's too cool Val
The first house on the left at the entrance is Peter's Parker Play Place. Boy, do I have some stories and memories. It is owned by John " Pete " Peters and I used to run with his son Doug
Thanks for the pic

capnzee
12-04-2004, 07:19 PM
Mike, what kind of boats are you thinking about and what kind of speeds would they run?? Would they be competitive with the old production class boats with the "big foots"? Capnzee :cool:

chill
12-04-2004, 07:27 PM
I think it was 1978 or 79 when Ron Hill (My Dad) and Freddy “Mercury Man”won overall nine hours with an Evinrude. I was only born in 77 but I have heard so much about the race and seen so many pictures I feel as if I were there. That is the same year the boat went up in flames during a pit stop. My Dad, jumped in to the water. After putting the flames out they looked it over and figured “what the hell, see if she runs” That it did, all nine hours to take the Parker nine hour overall, something that only a hand full of people have ever accomplished.

Mike Fjeld
12-04-2004, 07:37 PM
The SuperSport boats are Mod VP hulls with bone stock 2006 EPA approved 150s of any make.
On a long course they would be running around 80 to 85 mph

Miss BK
12-04-2004, 08:37 PM
Chad,
Your dad and Fred won the Parker Enduro in 1978. I was still in high school, and my senior year ('79) is when I painted the painting of the "Crazy Horse". That painting was actually a door prize I donated ("a painting of your boat") to the SCOA banquet and your dad won it! I expected the winner would be a hydro or runabout person - but your dad wanted a painting of "Crazy Horse". I'd never painted tunnels before so it was quite a challenge.
(You may have seen it?)

capnzee
12-05-2004, 12:11 AM
Gotcha Mike, sounds like your boats run about like a production boat with a standard 200 v6 with a club foot. If we can get more guys on this thread we can really get a "feel" for who will come. I like your idea of putting some front money up to guarantee a "show". I would really hate to spend a year of my life promoting a race and have 20 boats show up. If we could get the boys from the east coast to commit we might be able to get together some travel money. :eek: capnzee

chill
12-05-2004, 10:54 AM
BK,
I have seen it; it was in the office of our old house up until about three years ago. I never knew you painted it. For some reason, I thought my Grandmother painted it. You did a great job. So I guess I was almost one year old win he won.

Ron Hill
12-05-2004, 09:53 PM
I wrote this after I heard about his death. Tana Moore, Editor of the APBA's Propeller Magazine printed most of it...

I just got word that Brad Miller died in his sleep. He would have been 65 this year. He is survived by wife Traci, sons Paco and Brandon and two daughters..., Wendy and ???

Brad started the Del Taco Chain. At one time he owned 92 Del Taco Restaurants. He owed Crazyhorse Steak House (Orange County, CA... largest Country Western Stage in California...) and Crazyhorse Camp grounds (Lake Havasu City, AZ)...

Brad raced GN for several years. Then after hiring Bud Gilbert away from Louis Unser, he hired Jerry GIlbreath to drive for him. Jerry won at least one GN World Championship driving for Brad.

Brad owned the Molinari powered by Evinrude that won Parker in 1978. It was an independent entry in the heart of the Mercury-OMC Wars. Ron Hill and Fred Hauenstein Jr, drove Crazyhorse to victory in 1978. The win made Sports Illustrated in May of 1978.

Brad supported Ron Hill in his APBA POLITICAL YEARS with financial power and man power. Brad was my biggest customer in 1977, the year, Chad Hill was born...Brad bought props but also sold them to people like Rocky Aiko, Rudy Raymos and others.

Brad was married to Jerry's Step Daughter, Tracy, daughter of Brian Ewald. Doctor Brian Ewald owned the GN, "El Cid".

Brad and Tracy's son, Brandon Miller, races a Winston West car on the NASCAR circuit. Brad had also been a sponsor of Robby Gordon's Offroad Race cars...

Brad was one of the nicest guys in the world.

ADD... in 1978 Brad went and bought a new Turbo Porsche ($65,000). He had a 1977 already. When he brought the new one into the shop I said, why'd you buy a brown one? He said, "Hell I'm color blind, I thought it was red." He went and bought another one the next day, this time he asked the salesman, "What color is it?"

Brad was good to me, but I think he was good to a lot of people..
Ron Hill

ADD, ADD:

In 1979, when Brad was sponsoring me, we had a major party at Crazyhorse Campgrounds for ALL THE RACERS....the night before the Parker Enduro....How we got it, I don't really recall....But Freddy Hauenstein and I ended up with Brad's twin turbo Porsche... and we decided to see how fast they'd really go, so out on the runway at Lake Havasu City Airport we went.... they had a 165 MPH speedometer...we both pegged it...We never told Brad... I guess it is ok to tell that now!!!

Don't think you'll see me in Wisconsin APBA NATIONAL MEETING)...Just work on the house, sell props and write for the NET!!!

Miss BK
12-06-2004, 09:10 AM
:D

Besides the word "Marathon" --- there's another word that we need to bring back as well: CALCUTTA!

Are you in?? :D I am ready... Start the bidding!

capnzee
12-06-2004, 11:56 AM
Hi to all, I admire every one's enthusiasm but I am afraid this thread is getting "frayed". We can talk about the past forever BUT that deserves a thread of its own. With all due respect for the folks that have made the Parker Race what it was in the past, we have to look at ways to make it GO in the future. We must develop an interest in the teams that are around today. We must create enough interest to get the folks who have boats in storeage to get them out again. We must get more newcomers on this thread who can get excited enough to say "where do I go to sign up with this outfit!" Memories are great, but they don't do a lot for the new guys. Ron, I know you are listening, what have you done about insurance? As I recall in our last conversation, you were going to contact someone. What if we run at Havasu, can we avoid the dock problem? Could we run on waters that belong to the Indians? Possibly they would insure us. INSURANCE and waterseems to be the major stepping stones before we can think about moving forward. I know about APBA insurance and I know of KK insurance, are there others? Lets try to concentrate on the future and remain focused on the subject of this thread; " IS AN ENDURANCE RACE IN THE NEXT YEAR FEASIBLE"? If this reply stops the thread, we know real quick where we are going! Capnzee

Mike Fjeld
12-06-2004, 05:51 PM
**** or get of the pot---If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen

What can we do NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

capnzee AMEN

Mike Fjeld
12-06-2004, 05:56 PM
We need some help!!!!!!


What will you do?????????????????????????

capnzee
12-06-2004, 08:20 PM
I spent some time talking to Ron Hill today and will have lunch with he and Ted Kolby (GN racer) tomorrow. Ron thinks he has a line on insurance at a far better price than APBA or KK. We are going to try to interpret the policy he is talking about and then contact them personally with our proposal. We have decided that insurance, location, insurance, date of race, is the approach we need to take. In the mean time both Ron and I encourage you to get every potential racer on this web site and we will start to count numbers. Mike, do you think your current sports class with the 150's could run with the production 200's (stock L/U'S)? If we can re-invent the production class (mod-v/p or V-bottom) with a weight limit of 1000 lbs. and 200 hp could you compete straight up on our inverted start or would you suggest a corrected time for one or the other. I believe the production class would run between 80 and 85. You said your sport class would run between 80 and 85. Do we have a consensus? I have a picture of me in a lavey craft with a Yamaha for power--best I saw in 7 hours was 82 mph, of course we finished out of the money but we finished. Later in the afternoon I spent 2 more hours giving kids rides and that ol Yammie kept asking for more!

chill
12-06-2004, 08:34 PM
Rod,

The Enduro can start at the Blue Water Casino head up river for approximately two miles, enough to be out of site. The river makes a nice left hand turn about one mile up river. Why don’t you plan lunch for Wednesday, I get off work at 12:30 in Norwalk not too far from you. We can all do lunch together, I’ll give you a younger out look on what we need to do!!

capnzee
12-06-2004, 08:51 PM
Ok guys, I have BrocHill on the phone and he is going to walk me through a picture post of the Yamaha/lavey entry with the "capn" in the seat! :D

BrocHill
12-06-2004, 08:57 PM
Ok Guys,

I finally helped Rod enough that he was able to attach the picture... AFTER changing the requirements to being allowed to post 500KB pictures and at a size of 1300x1300. Someone needs to teach/show Rod how to change the size in his pictures! If anyone could do that it would be great.

P.S. We're working on changing the design/layout of the site so hold on!!!

capnzee
12-06-2004, 09:17 PM
Chill, love to join you on Wednesday but have another lunch date. If you can make the meeting tomorrow, Ron gets off work at 11:00. He will be coming to Manhattan Beach to meet Ted Kolby. They are going to pick me up around 12:30 and we will go to some expensive place cause Ted is going to pay Ron for a couple of props just about the time the waitress hands him the bill. I will then volunteer Ron, who is holding the cash, to go ahead and take care of the bill, just like old times. If you can get off, we would seriously love to have you join us, we can certainly use your ideas and we need all the help we can get! Call Ron on his cell around 11:15 and he can let you know where to meet us or just head for Manhattan beach and call on the way. Incidentally, new man on the totem buys lunch! You may want to join us at the GN meeting when we try to get to the inboarders competitive spirit! Capnzee ;)

Miss BK
12-07-2004, 09:09 AM
I lived in Manhattan Beach too, (1984) and going through my APBA ref book, I always wondered who this "Rod Z" was living in my city! Nice to finally meet you!

I also was on a team that ran a Yamaha on a Sleekcraft, then later a Mirage. Do you remember Chuck Styers from Bullhead City? He was the first person to let me drive a real race boat. He also knew a team looking for a driver who weighed less than 125 lbs - that was me! So I got my first ride. Then later, he rigged my Kober Kat, so I repaid the favor by helping him out at the Enduros, COBRA events and IOGP races over the next couple of years ('85-'88). We won Parker (Mod-VP) in 1988. That was cool. ;)



Now, about the CALCUTTA --- I am so serious about this. I just did research & I **think** that a Calucutta is still legal in Arizona, as long as the event is run by a non-profit organization and nobody (other than the bidders and players) make money from the event. (need confirmation on this). The charity could also take a portion of the pot, of course.

I think if the drivers knew they could earn some prize money from a second source (the auction) it would spark a lot of interest from the racers.

I KNOW there are a lot of guys and gals out there with deep pockets who love gambling! Especially gambling on who is going to win! :) :)

capnzee
12-07-2004, 09:21 AM
The Calcutta can be an important part of the race and a lot of fun too! We are currently taking "baby steps" to ensure that this race can even happen. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we must find insurance, then a place to run, then a date--In the mean time we have to "look" at the interest level--no interest, no race. When and if the time comes, we would be more than happy to have someone like yourself take over and run the Calcutta. In the mean time, we need enthusiasts, like yourself, to "spread the word" through other venues than this thread. We need to get the inboarders, the outboarders and the workers over to this web if for no other reason than to see how many boats an old time ENDURO could attract! Capnzee

capnzee
12-08-2004, 09:20 AM
Had a note to call Rudy Ramos, which I did. Rudy is not big on the computer but he is very enthused about getting another enduro going. He said that Lonnie Fluent of Nordic Boats was very interested in helping to promote an "enduro" race. I talked to Lonnie this morning. He is very enthused and feels the ski racing boats that Nordic, Eliminator and other production companies are producing plus Mercury would be more than happy to get involved in a race such as this. Lonnie says the ski boat they are producing is about 22 foot and can run over 100 mph all day long. He has no problem challenging the outboards! So, here we go, interest is growing. Lonnie is planning to jump on this thread later today with his thoughts in support of this race. Capnzee

Ron Hill
12-08-2004, 10:31 PM
But, you Capnzee posted the picture of the blue boat with the Yamaha on it...but this is what was on the deck...

Ben and Florine Ellerman...Number One Pit family... their kids...Ryan and Eric, My kid's Jessica and Chad...Don Post, my number one polisher, who passed away with heart faliure, Jeff Wilson, my number one right hand man...Killed in an auto wreck on his way to pick up a 45 tunnel in Michigan...

Ted March my "PARTNER" here....Marine Craft, Broc Glover's deal!!!!

IT WAS BARB'S BOAT!!!!!

FYI:

I asked Balzy if he knows where the HST molds are...

capnzee
12-09-2004, 10:51 AM
Ron, a couple of thoughts; After talking to Lonnie Fluent and hearing how excited he was about the plans to run another Enduro and how he figured that the production class eg. Nordic, Endurance, Mercury etc. would jump on the idea, I started thinking that maybe what we need is co-chairs in charge of promoting each type of boat being run. Possibly Lonnie would chair the Ski boat class (inboard type) The head of the GN Class would chair that class, and so on, maybe we could find a bass boat enthusiast to whip up some excitement there. The reponsibility of the individual chair would be to promote their class and report their success to the overall chairman of the race. I can't help but think Mercury would want to promote their 4 cycles. Any ideas? Any body out there with ideas? Capnzee

chill
12-09-2004, 07:38 PM
Hey capnzee,
In case you didn’t put two and two together? C stands for Chad and Hill is just Hill, hence the name Chill.

Ron Hill
12-10-2004, 10:17 AM
Whalers will be welcome??? In the NEW Enduro Racing Series???

capnzee
12-10-2004, 10:21 AM
I figured the reason I hadn't heard more from you is because You didn't want to buy lunch. Actually, I really failed to pull Chad Hill out of CHILL and I am embarrassed to admit it now, I could use some input from you. Maybe you would want to "chair" the small tunnels to see if there is a place for them in our "Enduro" There is a faction that believes we should keep this a race for open cockpits and production boats only. My thoughts are to run a "safe" race. If we were to limit the size of the boats to say 22' which would allow the Production Ski Boats of Nordic and Eliminator for example, could the smaller tunnels run safely or would they blow over on a long straight-a-way? Would the Ski boats pose a problem with their larger wakes? Could the Sport tunnels run alongside a Production Ski Boat safely? These are questions I need to have answered by the class chairmen. Capnzee

capnzee
12-10-2004, 10:46 AM
The question is--will Boston Whaler boats be eligible to run in the ENDURO as I see it in the future? The answer is absolutely YES! Maybe we will require the smaller boats to run a 10 foot tall flashing light or maybe it would be proper to have ALL boats run such a device. We may have to make the "cut" at 60 miles per hour. I remember when a Whaler ran safely for a number of years at the Parker and suddenly it was decided the "professionals" were just not good enough to NOT run over the Whaler and HE was not allowed to run.
Going PROFESSIONAL may have been the beginning of what appears to be the nearing of the end for boat racing. My interest is in a true Grass roots effort to save boat racing as we knew it in the past thus saving it for the future! First we have to understand that we cannot compete with NASCAR. Television sounds good, but we ain't gonna make it there (certainly not in this Enduro). We DONOT have to go faster and faster, at the cost of safety, to make boat racing fun again. What we do need is a concerted effort by all interested parties, to revive the ENDURO, and not scare the insurance providers out of the Park. Capnzee :cool:

Mike Fjeld
12-10-2004, 06:58 PM
I'm not sure how to answer your question.
SuperSports run 150 hp engines at 1600 lbs. On a long run we can get to 80 to 85 mph. I'm thinking that a 1000 lbs boat with a 200 hp engine will get to the 80 mph range much quicker. It's not about mph, it is about lap times. I am sure the boat you described will have much faster lap times. Maybe you can run your boats with 1800 lbs and that might even it up????

chill
12-10-2004, 08:22 PM
Z,

What we need is a prop shaft height, and a speed range. Each boat can do a qualify run before the race. The prop, motor and setup will be checked and marked. If some one changes a prop during the race the pitch must be the same as the original pitch propeller. If someone makes a gear case change the ratio must be the same as the original gear case and if a powerhead change is made then it needs to be the same specs as the original powerhead. We can have a range between 70 and 110. No faster or no slower. This way we don’t have a F1 at 140 blowing by a Boston Whaler running 40. MPH.

capnzee
12-11-2004, 03:53 PM
Mike, let mey go with your question/answer first. That is the beauty of the stagger'd start. If it looks like the 200 hp boats on production hulls are that much faster around the course, then we will adjust the starting times. I can see giving the super sports a 30 minute lead time, or maybe more, we'll get these numbers sharpened up at the proper time. Right now, we are all searching for any reasonable ideas that will work to make this a safe, fun, race.
CHILL, you are up next. If we keep this program to production classes, we can control transom height, power head changes etc., but I don't want to make the classes so complicated that it takes more officials to run the race than we have racers. If we run the race for the "amateurs" and keep the engines stock, forget about the Formula Boats I don't think we will have the "Nightmare" of rules you are suggesting. I have a formula for this race, KISS! Maybe the answer to the question is to run only boats that normally run between 60 and 100 mph. Enforce some very strict over lap rules, make every boat hold it's lane throughout the turn, install da-glo flags mounted 8 feet above the transom of all boats etc. etc. We have all seen the results of too much meddling in the college football series. It is a mess (BCS). We don't need their problems, nor do we need help from a bunch of computers, all we need is past experience of what works, what doesn't and common sense. Thanks for your input CHILL and Mike Keep the suggestions coming and help me if you can on the insurance. On the insurance end. How about we make every crew member show proof of a personal primary insurance company for his medical requirements should they be required. In this manner we would only have to purchase liability insurance should a spectator etc be injured. Mike, who covers your SuperSport races? Capnzee

Miss BK
12-11-2004, 09:20 PM
FYI -

I've got Blue Cross Blue Shield health insurance, but my non-group policy will not cover injuries from boat racing or participation in any other inherently dangerous sport (sky diving, hang gliding, motorcycle racing etc). Health insurers are getting so tight that I only got them to cover migraines after 2 years and three appeals.

:(

capnzee
12-12-2004, 11:49 AM
BK, does your insurance policy name boat racing specifically? You may be able to get a waiver for production boats, or you may be able to get a one day waiver. Would that include crews, I doubt it. Are you planning on driving?
:eek: Capnzee

Miss BK
12-12-2004, 12:41 PM
I sure wish I could drive. But I've got a C-5 that's in a precarious position. After my last MRI, my neurologist told me I better not sneeze very hard. :eek:


Over the past few years, health insurance companies have been really tightening up. They are decreasing what they are willing to cover, and only want to cover the 100% healthy, non-risk taking folks. But people who are lucky to belong to a Group policy don't experience the kind of hassles those of us on "individual" policies encounter.

I've been in a fight with BC/BS since 2001, because they want to put me in a "Rated-up" category (causing me to pay $300 more per month) because they say I am "high risk" (I fractured my neck at a race in the 80's, disk is bulging & have a history of migraines). I even begged them to exclude any expenses from my migraines/neck problems I may have in the future, and they said their policies don't work that way. They just want me to pay about three times the normal rate per month. So, I'm pretty certain they aren't going to sell me a one-day waiver to let myself go wild and crazy :)
Well, they might but it will be way more than my budget can afford. LOL They aren't dumb.

Under Exclusions, my policy states:
Not Covered: "Expenses resulting from accident or illness related to activities such as sky diving, auto racing, power boat racing, bungee jumping, piloting a private plane, dirt bike racing or mountain climbing.

And on the application itself, it asked:
"Within the last two years, has any person engaged in, or does anyone plan to engage in underwater diving, horse racing or training, rodeo activities or professional sports?"



If you check "yes", they will either "rate up" your policy, or decline your application. If you check "no", then they could deny covering any expenses resulting from "professional sports" and the others listed.

"Professional Sports" is left vague (on purpose, no doubt). And they say "engaged in". I'm not sure how they decide when a person is engaged. And how is "professional" defined? One thing I do know and that is insurance companies have the upper hand when it comes to disputing claims. Make sure a good lawyer looks over the fine print of any policies you get. Don't leave any undefined loopholes like my policy has. They will use any loose wording to your disadvantage.

I had no choice but to accept their contract as it was spelled out because every other company declined to cover me :(

capnzee
12-13-2004, 12:05 PM
Guys, I need help on this one. I have tried for hours to locate an insurance agency that would ensure the Enduro we have been talking about. They are on the web--GOOGLE--search for powerboat racing insurance. I need some one with the computer moxy to make a match and get our foot in the door. HELP! :( CAPNZEE

capnzee
12-13-2004, 12:48 PM
Bingo) :) I just located a company, Sportsinsurance.com, who I believe will be able to handle our insurance needs. I filled out the questionaire as best I could and we can expect an answer soon. This is the "first step" I have been talking about. Capnzee

bill boyes
12-13-2004, 02:54 PM
Rod, I'am somewhat puzzeled here. AIS and K&K handle all sorts of racing events. Have you contacted them?
APBA insurance will be under K&K as they outbid AIS.
Question. Have you considered runing the Enduro as a APBA Special Event?
You would get the insurance and the small medical ($10,000 under AIS). Non APBA members my join for $40 per day.
also, under Special Event you make your own RULES.
Just a Thought.

bill boyes
12-13-2004, 03:58 PM
I would like to amend MAKE YOUR OWN RULES. Under the Special Event Sanction you still must use the General racing and Safety rules. However, Specia Event is not a Category. So you can write your own rules. As do the JET Boat River Racers and River hydro racers

capnzee
12-13-2004, 05:19 PM
First OMC V-8 at Parker. 6725 rpm's all day long.
Capnzee

EDIT: FIRST PRODUCTION V-8...

Miss BK
12-13-2004, 07:32 PM
I stood next to that motor when it was in the parking lot at Ah Villa Park. The engine towered above me as I stood in its shadow. The rest of the weekend I called it "Jaws" because that's how menacing it was to me. And when I saw that huge motor coming up the river I'd make the sounds of the Jaws movie: "da duhm........da duhm....." :D

Ron Hill
12-14-2004, 08:37 AM
Bob Leach, Mr. Eliminator boats, layed this 21 up, super light with all the new trick resins. It handled like a wood boat even though is weighed half what a wood boat that size would have weighed.

John Castelli and Capnzee drove her well... Can't recall why well had to borrow a gearcase from Second Effort, but we did, and in the heat of changing props and all, I couldn't find a cotter pin to put through the prop nut, so, I put a nail...(But, I did tighten the heck mout of the prop...about and hour later, we lost a hub in a prop... Castelli goes off on me, for not getting the prop on right, (It had come lose, because the nut was almost off)...I said, "It was tight, I know I tightened it and put an nail in the hole...." John goes , "NAIL?? You pit a nail to hold the prop on?"" I said, "Well John, it WAS a new nail." We put another prop on and out he went...

John later took this rig to the kilos and went 118, I think... That is when I sold it...I figured John was a good friend, and one mistake at 118, no capsule, would be very bad...

John would mutter, "A NAIL?" for about the next month...

Ron Hill
12-14-2004, 08:40 AM
Three Mod VP's and one V-8...Production Motors, Production boats...

Our pit crew, Jack Holly (Old F Hydro driver) and Ben Ellerman, more dedicated than I... That water is cold, even in the summer, and this is March!

capnzee
12-14-2004, 10:27 AM
A little history, though I am trying to look forward rather than back (as sometimes "old guys" tend to do). The reason we had to borrow a new lower unit is because, and you may not want to hear this Ron and you will probably edit it out, I lost a prop blade as I smooooothly accellerated out of a turn. The lost prop blade in turn caused the prop shaft to snap and we were out of business for awhile. The lower unit we had on the boat at the time of the incident was one that John Castelli had re-worked and it ran beautifully at 105 mph (race speed). The borrowed unit you mentioned would blow out at a little over 85 mph making it very difficult to control. If you look closely at the boat under speed, you will notice a couple of "skid fins" near the transom. Eliminators, at the time, had been noted for hooking and spinning out on a single pin turn. If you recall, we were up past 3:00 A.m. prior to the race, modifying the boat up forward so it would have a less tendency to hook in the turn and we placed the skid fins on the back to prevent the back end from spinning. It worked well, we never spun, but we did take some "heat" for "grinding" on a perfectly good boat. :rolleyes: Capnzee

Ron Hill
12-14-2004, 01:11 PM
Broc, The Super Administrator has admonished me NOT to EDIT anything Capnzee does...He says you know what you're talking about....Seems that maybe the thought of flying lessons may play a part here...

I had "FORGOTTEN" why we needed to chang eht $1,900 gearcase... and $850 prop...Sometimes you "DRIVER", not "OWNERS" drive like you stole it....or for sure don't want your co-driver turning laps faster than YOU.....So, get off these "EASY" on my E-quipment stuff...

When you become an OWNER of one of the NEW MOD VP's, we'll see how far your NEW nail lasts... BUT IT WAS A NEW NAIL!!!!

You want to explain THIS picture??? My 102, my prop, Capnzee gets a good start, by the end of the heat.....well, he ain't raced kneeldowners since, something about those kids not respecting AGE!!!!

ADD: Who but Capnzee would runa PARACHUTE jacket in C Runabout???? Then again, who would fly down to the races in an airplane that didn't have any lights???

Mike Fjeld
12-14-2004, 06:12 PM
All of the SuperSport racing has been done under APBA. I am looking into independent insurance, but maybe we should ask AOF. They have very reasonable insurance?????

Ron Hill
12-16-2004, 08:03 PM
Capnzee,


Sorry I missed the tailgate party yesterday...But, We've got a sport to save and we don't have a lot of time...Besides, unlike you, I only go to parties where I know everyone....

Actually, Broc isn't driving, therefore, I make a great "GO FOR"....Barb had a tooth out today, so she wasn't ready to "Hang With" you OLD TWA wildpeople...

We can always party at the races....

Greg Foster asked me to speak for him:

Well, that isn't completly true, but we did talk, yesterday and today...

GREG IS IN FOR ANYTHING......HE LOVED THE ENDURO AND WILL RUN WHATEVER RULES WE HAVE...

But here's his ideas:

1. He ABSOLUTELY has not problem with a HANDICAP SYSTEM. He doesn't even care who figures out the handicaps....(UNLIKE YOU...who, I have a hard time trusting, except, we'll probably team, therefore we might "WIN"

2. Greg didn't really say your start idea "SUCKED" but he did say, "What happens if you let four Boston Whalers and Six bass boats go an hour and twenty minutes early, then you start the FAST boats and here are these guys racing along in single file when 10 fast boat start and go across the river in front of these guys????

Greg's suggestion, different than yesterday's.... Start group 1, 15 seconds later start group II, and so on until you start everyone...At the driver's meeting everyone is told their handicap...five mintues, 15 minutes...Once the race starts, you can take your handicap in the pits when you want to...Some, might take it early when it is rough, some might say, wait, we may need a gearcase, we'll take our 20 minute handicap then!!!!

I like the idea....and if you never take your handicap, it is subtracted at the end, like offroading.....And you do know Greg drove the Baja 1000 with Drew Belk!!!! They did well, but I forgot what he told me...

3. All pit stops are five minutes....(Actually Greg, didn't like this at first, but I talked SAFETY and he gave in)....

First weekend in October is open for the Ski Racers....

Greg's Outboard V Bottoms have simple rules... and maybe ten who will race 7 hours...

Rule One: Outboard
Rule Two: Vee Bottom
Rule Three: Middle of the propshaft can't be higher the the bottom of the boat.

Rule four: 300 HP MAX

Rule Five: There ain't no rule five: I'LL ADD TO THE SKIER, "HANG ON SUCKER"...

OH, OH, Ski racers already have Gentlemen..........Sportsperson rules regarding turns... You stay in your lane, the skier you save could be your friend...The Ski Race business is for FUN!!!!

Anyone heard of Tim Herbst???? He has a new Ski Race Outboard.... Hint: Barbery Coast Casino, Las Vegas, Mr. Terrible Gas stations, Herbst offroad racing.... Jerry Herbst is Tim's dad...
Jerry and Jerry Gilbreath ran Offshore together...

ADD:

La Paz to the Fire Station is long enough, Capsuled boats for The new MOD VP...CALLED MOD-NOD and Super Sport....The divers expenses will be covered for 7 Hours....

October 2005....

Are we running Minis Saturday???

Mike Fjeld
12-16-2004, 10:52 PM
Timmy--- I remember going to a casino with Tim, Doug Peters and Chris Benjamin when we were too young to gamble. When Timmy was about $ 8,000 up they asked for his ID
You heard of the Gold Coast Casino???? I don't know about now, but it was Herbst, Peters and Edelbrock

capnzee
12-17-2004, 08:36 AM
I plan to stick to my original handicap plan. When the boats come down the final stretch, everyone will know who won. With regards to the faster boats running over the slower boats that started an hour earlier; we will have a rule prohibiting lane changes in the corners. The overtaking boats will be required to "give way and remain clear" of the slower boats. There will be a judge in every patrol boat. Any boat that violates the RULES GOVERNING SAFETY will be black flagged requiring it to go to the pits. The officials will contact the offending pit and the boat in violation will be required to go to the "penalty box" where he will remain for a given amount of time depending upon the seriousness of the violation. With regard to the faster boats who start later in the race, they will be started in a direction away from the course, round a buoy and enter the race course on the outside after a straight-a-way that will ensure they are spread out, much in the same way the boats who have pitted for fuel re-enter the course. They will be required to give way to any boat already established on the race course. Your questions are good, keep'em coming--I have answers. Capnzee

capnzee
12-17-2004, 08:44 AM
How long of a drive is it from Lapaz to the fire station? With regard to racing on two days????? I don't know, we may want to run on Saturday with a blow-out day reserved for Sunday. This being our first event, I don't think we want to cram too much unto our plate and spoil the main dish. Depending upon the rules laid on us by the insurance company, the sight of the race has not been established. Suggestions have been Havasu, Colorado River (varying from Bluewater to LaPaz), Lake Elsinore, Winslow Colorado etc. Capnzee :D

Ron Hill
12-17-2004, 09:02 AM
Seems Greg and I figured it was about 2 miles, which would give a 4 mile course, plus the pit area...plenty of room....

rossdbos
12-17-2004, 11:15 AM
How's about the Salton Sea? One of birthplaces of Endurance style racing (Salton Sea 500) and more importantly I'm told it would be a piece of cake to get the permits and water. Your thoughts...
Ross :)

racer98
12-17-2004, 09:53 PM
Seems the welcome mat has been rolled up in Parker/ Havasu last few years? Salton Sea could use the $$$ and it's half the drive. Maybe even some help from the local casino's? I ain't afraid of no salt. :D

rossdbos
12-18-2004, 09:38 PM
Well, Ron, Rod and the rest of wax nostalgic racing association- If you are serious and want to put on an endurance race of some sort I do believe that Salton Sea would be the easiest and most conducive to your plight. Let's not just talk about it- make a decision on where to run it and then get going on sponsors and investors and more important COMMITTED DRIVERS!!!!!!
If you build it, they will come, except in boat racing- where you have to beg, beg and plead then they will come....then again maybe not!

Ross :cool:

capnzee
12-20-2004, 06:34 PM
Well, the name Elsinore keeps popping up, and then someone mentions Perris? There is a new marina going in at Elsinore, is there room to run? I really want to run a course at least 4 miles around plus room to pit. Capnzee

Mike Fjeld
12-20-2004, 06:37 PM
Firebird lake in Phx

rossdbos
12-20-2004, 06:59 PM
Mike:
Not unless you have a "major sponsor" to rent that water. Big $'s to get Firebird. I'm presently working on a gig at Tempe Town Center Lake in Tempe off the FWY lot's of hurdles though- may not be feasible but great exposure and lots of parking/ pits, etc.
Ross

Mike Fjeld
12-20-2004, 07:12 PM
I have not seen the new lake on the Salt River. My uncle, Gordon Fjeld was the engineer that installed those rubber dams in Tempe.

RichardKCMo
12-22-2004, 12:12 AM
Only thang rears it's head when i think about EL,sinior is they sure had some good OB races there one yr.

Came over from 5 hiway and was running late, must've taken 100 pics of those botes on the way down that hill. Got there to find out it was only prelims.
RichardKCMo

Ron Hill
01-06-2005, 06:56 PM
1. Firtst weekend in October, 2005.

2. Bluewater to Badnock's laps, total miles 350.

3. Three classes:

A. Outboard Vee Hull: V-6 engines Division I and II (2006 legal).
B. Inboard Vee Drive Vee Hull: Any engine
C. Outdrive Vee Hull

4. 25' Maximum

5. Two manitory 10 minute pit stops.

6. No handicap starts this year.

More details to follow....

Ski Race outboard rules...

racer98
01-06-2005, 09:50 PM
Oct. 1-2 is the Bakersfield race weekend.
What happened to Salton Sea? Mention a little salt and everybody runs away? Think about the potential, not to mention the history.
Must be like throwing Holywater on the Devil?

Ron Hill
01-06-2005, 10:28 PM
Anytime you want to go, I'll go to Salton Sea with you....We'd have to stop at Valerie Jean's for a date shake....

but let me say this.....of the last 50 races I know about scheduled at Salton Sea, 45 were cancelled because of rough water...

Do you know where Indio dumps their sewers??? I know!!!

Do you know how deep that BLACK MUCK is on the bottom???

Do you know how bad the water smells???

I'll go with you, though...maybe a miracle has happened...

We could run OCTOBER 8-9....

Outboard Vee, Sterndrives and Non Legal GN's wouldn't be at Bakersfield anyway!

rossdbos
01-07-2005, 01:24 PM
Ron:
but let me say this.....of the last 50 races I know about scheduled at Salton Sea, 45 were cancelled because of rough water...-
Ron: The classes you are considering could run in chop. Also, remember Parker was blown out this past Thanksgiving on Sunday!

Do you know where Indio dumps their sewers??? I know!!!-
Ron: Like anything, you get used to it once you're there- no Wussies!

Do you know how deep that BLACK MUCK is on the bottom???
Don't plan on going over then!

Do you know how bad the water smells???
Refer to answer regarding Indio's sewers.

I'll go with you, though...maybe a miracle has happened...

We could run OCTOBER 8-9....
No, I wouldn't schedule it on 10/8-9/05 as Shadow cliffs R11 race is already scheduled so NO R11 guys would attend.

Outboard Vee, Sterndrives and Non Legal GN's wouldn't be at Bakersfield anyway!
Yes, but you need Legal GN's and others so scheduling it on or close to Bakersfield would not be good.

Next, and perhaps most important if you are serious about Parker-
1.) Insurance- Have you or CAPNZEE spoken to K&K or any other reputable insurance company. Just FYI, you will need $5,000,000 CSL to run an event at the Bluewater Resort and to comply with the Non-Capsule GN's etc. under APBA.
Remember, when I spoke to Rod I indicated that the last time I was thinking of running a "Parker Enduro" Insurance wanted all homeowners between Bluewater & Badenoch's to sign wavier/releases. Put caution tape on their docks (if they had one), and sign another piece of paper saying that they wouldn't sit on their docks (if they had one) and watch the races. This is going to be your biggest hurdle, that is why I relented and went to a format in front of the fans at the resort.
2.) Has anyone contacted the Bluewater Resort to get their permission and compliance and sponsorship.
3.) Coast Guard permit sent out and subsequent CRIT Fish & Game study fee.
4.) Manpower- you are going to need at lease 5-6 Rescue boats for this kind of course and right now the only rescue available that I would use would be NJBA Team Rescue - cost will be $200/boat/day without rescue's expenses and gas. Also, you will need at least 6-8 Patrol boats and river closure boats.
5.) Don't mean to "rain on your parade", ooh by the way that brings up another point, how many committed boats so this doesn't become a "parade".
Just want to make sure you have your "duck's in a row" before jumping in "head first".
Ross

Ron Hill
01-07-2005, 04:43 PM
The answer to all points is NO!

Just some people in Havasu and on the net that want to do something...

You ready to go to Salton Sea??? Which side? Any palce in particular?

Keep posting here...I like you Rossdabos...

Rain?? Did you casue this??

Tomtall
01-08-2005, 08:59 AM
Looks like the Salton Sea regatta used to rock! Article courtisey - Marvel Characters Inc.-Boatsport magazine

Tomtall
01-08-2005, 09:01 AM
Page #2

capnzee
01-08-2005, 06:49 PM
Well, I'm happy to see some action back on this thread. After talking to Ross, I believe that to run at Parker is beyond reasonable efforts. The dates are definitely not set, nor are the classes that we would expect to run. I plan on taking a run over to the Salton Sea and Lake Elsinore. We are currently waiting to hear back from several insurance complanies. I am solid on my plans to run handicap starts, and will not be talked out of it. I have run them on long races in Key West Florida and I have run them on short races at the LB Stadium. I know how exciting the finishes can be and I know how to set up the handicaps. If I am going to continue working on this race, fall in line on the handicap starts and we can work together on the details. I have a definite plan on how to schedule the starts and we will not have a parade. I have been in boat racing long enough and I have seen enough parades to last me a lifetime. At this time it appears the interest lies in boats that will run at or around 100 mph and less. There are parties that believe they can stir enough interest to get 10 or more boats to show in their class. These would be the outboard type production ski boats. We have folks who insist that they can get inboard ski boats out that can keep up with the outboards for 350 miles. Some say, "build a race and they will come!" Anyway, this is the time to get things straight, I don't intend to keep re-addressing the handicap start, if I do it, it will be. Capnzee

capnzee
01-08-2005, 06:58 PM
Ross, I bow to your past experience, knowledge and the efforts you have put into boat racing. If I am to continue in my quest to put on a successful endurance race I will need all of your knowledge and assistance. I know and understand what you went through to put on a race at Parker and other sites. I know and understand what a thankless job it often turns out to be. I didnot ignore the facts that you related to me on the phone and later in your reply so aptly stated in your previous post. Thanks for taking the time. Rod Z.

rossdbos
01-09-2005, 01:43 PM
CAPNZEE & Ron:
You know I support you both and this idea but am very cautious as I have learned from the last 7 years promoting that racers are fickle and sites are not always willing to help out the racers so if I sometimes come across as a smart a$$ I'm not just meant to be the voice of reason and make sure that we look at all aspects as I found most ideas sound great but it's the little things that tend to screw it up. Also, I just know that there are a lot and I mean a lot of people who surf the web and love to talk the talk about showing up and racing and I don't want to see all your hard work and efforts be in vain. Last, I don't want it to be a "one hit wonder" event either this type of race is for the racing purists, it is not really fan friendly as long endurance courses do tend to turn into a "Parade". I would like to see this take on a yearly tradition. As far as format, I'll stay out of that as Rod seems to have done his homework and after all is the one who is really pushing this race.
1.) Let's settle on two sites- a primary and alternate and submit permits for both with dates that won't conflict witht the current R12 schedule and good time of year weather wise. FYI, Coast Guard waterways require 135 day application period- so figure CG permits applications in now!
2.) Insurance- APBA has reverted back to K&K so if you want to go to another insurance co. go to ASIS or some other ins. co. that has an "A" rating and is admitted in California- Call Jeff Wooton at Mutual Insurance (on Marengo in Pasadena) as he deals with this for a living and is a wealth of knowledge. Again, liability-$1 mil, $2 Mil or $5 mil in CSL is going to be important as many sites today want the max $5 Mil.
3.) Sponsors- Who do you have in mind, how much $/money are you trying raise to a.) help cover event costs and b) add to the prize money fund.
4.) Manpower- need to start thinking about volunteers-registration, scorers, patrol and rescue as well as officials. Set up and tear down people, etc.
5.) Racers committments- this will depend on classes and availability, I like the idea of "run what you brung" however they all need to have approved helmets, lifejackets and boats need to pass some type of tech. BTW, how many boats do both think would come to this event? 25, 50, 100+?
Let's get going! I believe I will be hosting another GNRA board meeting in February unless there is one in January that I've forgotten the date - Racer98 please remind us, and both of you and anyone else interested in this event should attend so that we may set a "game plan" , assign tasks and get the "ball" off the ground.
Enough talk, let's get going!
Ross :cool:

capnzee
01-10-2005, 05:17 PM
I answer'd a few questions asked by the potential insurer and talked to them by phone. They seemed satisfied by my answers. If any of you would like the questions asked and the answers given, send your E-mail to Ron Hill and he will forward the information to you. Ross, I would have included you in the E-mail but donot have your address. The insurer (sports insurance.com) is goingto revue our request and get back to me with the numbers. They assured me that insurance for the type of race we want to run is well within reason. Capnzee :)

capnzee
01-11-2005, 07:00 PM
I understand this meeting is for the GN boats. Would there be room in the meeting for other type of boats and personnel interested in this forum? Capnzee :confused:

Harlan
01-12-2005, 01:10 AM
Some of the best racing I have ever experienced was driving the Parker Races after Ron Hill got too old to drive and he decided to sell props on the shore while John Castelli and I drove his boat. Well, the Parker lost its zing when it went to less than 5 hours. The inboards couldn't last even 5 hours and gave way to the outboards. Never could understand why our "crack" engine builders on the west coast could not keep an inboard engine running for more than 20 laps or so and the outboards just kept on ticking.
Recently I have contacted Ross W and Ann H to see what their thoughts were on getting a real endurance race going again. Ross was full of support but he felt he had run the gammit and there was not enough interest left to go to the huge effort he had put in the past. In fact, after days of preparation and a very nice prize package, with dozens of "promises", he ended up with about 15 boats, maybe less. This is for shame unless boat racers really don't want to race, maybe the "nostalgia" class is the place to be for these guys, they can talk all day about what they used to do. Ann Hoban said none of the "endurance" boats could make it for more than a few moments. Ted Kolby, owner of the BODY SNATCHER said he would build an engine that would last if we could get a true endurance race going again. I know Ted and he WOULD! Ron Hill said there are not enough outboards that would be willing to come to an endurance race, what with the factories no longer interested. The Mod V-P's are almost non-existant any more certainly not on the racing circuit, but maybe we could get them out of storeage for an "old time" race.
My thoughts are the factories may be interested if there was a class for their "green" (4-cycle) engines. The Mod V's and Production V's may get interested if they didn't have to run 20,000 dollar engines but could still win. The inboards MAY still have enough pride left in them to see if they could run more than fifteen minutes and stand a chance of beating the outboards. Hell a Jaguar engine won one of the last races and most Jaguar engines I know won't even run in a passenger car for very long. So there is certainly a chance for any one in a properly run race! Now, if I haven't P---ed everyone off yet or insulted enough of you and you care to keep reading, here goes.
I would propose an inverted start or, and I hate to call it this-so I won't) a handicap start. Remember, these are all thoughts and subject to huge changes, I would think about a race of 300 miles on a course of around 3 miles. The slow boats could run this distance in around 5 hours and the fast boats would run it in 3 hours with the other classes some where in the middle. I would think the GN's could average 70 MPH ( pit stops included) and the Production outboards should be able to average 75 MPH. These speeds and the inverted start would be based on past races. Ann Hoban believes she could put together enough history to validate the times to make it a really good race, with one overall winner, 2nd place etc. Ron Hill has offered to buy the trophies for individual classes. Ross has offered to help in any way he can from a promoter and official point of view. At this point, everything above is not much more than a dream and,without interest,will remain just that.
There is a GN meeting in the very near future, I believe it is a week from Sunday. Hopefully this subject will be brought up for discussion. For more information on the meeting, contact Ann Hoban (760) 665-8098. This and more from Capnzee My thoughts were not to cause anger but to stir the competitive spirits in some of you old guys that remember boat racing during the good times and you young guys who think this is the good times!


The inboard winner of the Parker 9 hr in '71 and the inboard winner in '80 are in storage about a mile from the Parker Race Course. The '71 boat is a 19' Orrin 3 Pt Ski hydro, BBC, Casale v-drive, 115 Mph. The '80 boat is also a 19' hydro 3 pt hydro, BBC, Casale v-drive, 135 Mph.

Harlan

Harlan
01-12-2005, 01:19 AM
Before I get too far out ahead of myself, let me say that we are looking into the insurance and a place for the race to be held. Currently under consideration is of course numero uno PARKER! In addition we are thinking about Needles, Havasu, Laughlin etc etc. This thread is getting some attention so there may still be some real racers out there! Ron Hill is working on the insurance end at this time and I will keep you all informed as this thread works its way out and we get more subscribers that transforms into interest. I appreciate all of your thoughts so keep'm coming, in short, "lets roll"! Capnzee

There is a Sleekcraft Mod V-P in Wash. that has been racing with the nostalgia flat bottoms. It is equiped with a 427 Ford, Casale v-drive. He will not be racing with the flats any longer, to many big wakes, they invited him to find a flat-bottom. This would make a good endurance-nostalgia boat.

Harlan

Harlan
01-12-2005, 01:52 AM
[QUOTE=capnzee]Well, I'm happy to see some action back on this thread. After talking to Ross, I believe that to run at Parker is beyond reasonable efforts. The dates are definitely not set, nor are the classes that we would expect to run. I plan on taking a run over to the Salton Sea and Lake Elsinore. We are currently waiting to hear back from several insurance complanies. I am solid on my plans to run handicap starts, and will not be talked out of it. I have run them on long races in Key West Florida and I have run them on short races at the LB Stadium. I know how exciting the finishes can be and I know how to set up the handicaps. If I am going to continue working on this race, fall in line on the handicap starts and we can work together on the details. I have a definite plan on how to schedule the starts and we will not have a parade. I have been in boat racing long enough and I have seen enough parades to last me a lifetime. At this time it appears the interest lies in boats that will run at or around 100 mph and less. There are parties that believe they can stir enough interest to get 10 or more boats to show in their class. These would be the outboard type production ski boats. We have folks who insist that they can get inboard ski boats out that can keep up with the outboards for 350 miles. Some say, "build a race and they will come!" Anyway, this is the time to get things straight, I don't intend to keep re-addressing the handicap start, if I do it, it will be. Capnzee[/QUO

In the '40s and '50s the circle race inboards [SCSC] would run a Grand Prix race, after the class heat racing. The commodore, Red Wilson, devised a stagered start that ended with the 50 mph PODH and 85 mph 135 hydro leaders rounded the final turn together, after running 50 miles, and had a drag race to the finish line.
Your handicap could be time controled, required, pit stops!!!

Harlan

Harlan
01-12-2005, 01:57 AM
Well, the name Elsinore keeps popping up, and then someone mentions Perris? There is a new marina going in at Elsinore, is there room to run? I really want to run a course at least 4 miles around plus room to pit. Capnzee

If you check the news today, Lake Elsinore now goes to the Airport. You could probably work in the motorcross course also.

Harlan

rossdbos
01-13-2005, 10:28 AM
Capnzee:
I wouldn't have offered if I wasn't serious. After the main discussion/business of GNRA we could discuss this race and the possibilities as a majority of the players that you are dealing with will already be there:
Rudy, Hoban, Kolby, Bonicci, myself, etc.
Hope to see you in February.
Ross :cool:

capnzee
01-14-2005, 12:11 PM
Rossdaboss has offered his next GN meeting in Feb. as a forum (after the GN business) for a discussion of the proposed 350 mile stagger'd start race. As you can see from previous replies, the stagger'd start has been used successfully for many years. I have been instrumental in running the above mentioned race in Key West Florida for a number of years. We had a 6 year base from which to draw and we were able to put boats from the slowest class in the final lap with the fastest boats after 60 miles of racing. I have done the same at the Long Beach Marine Stadium during the years that I was Commodore of SCSC. We can do the same in the proposed race. I have given the 350 miler some thought as to starting times and on a "first pass" basis I believe we could run 5 classes of boats that would fit into the following categories:

A Class--70 mph boats--start time--0 (Boston Whaler/Bass boats???)

B Class--80 mph boats--start time--0+30 minutes (Outboard V & Mod VP)

C Class--90 mph boats--start time--0+50 minutes (GN-boats

D Class--95 mph boats--start time--0+60 minutes(eg. outboard ski racing)

E Class--100-105 mph boats--final start--0+75 minutes (eg. Nordic ski boats)
There would be a minimum of 3 pit stops of at least 10 minutes per boat.
Minimum distances and passing rules would be set and governed by patrol boats, all boats would be required to maintain their lanes when with in 100 yards of turn. Violators would be black flagged and required to make an additional 10 minute pit stop. production boats, no racing tunnel boats nor boats requiring capsules - This is a rough water race for boats that can compete in rough water. I would plan on a day well before the race to ask individuals to bring sample boats to a sight such as Bakersfield to assess their speeds and place their class boat in a category. I would also ride in the boat or drive it myself to ensure that the boats were being run as they would during a race. Actually, I think we all have a fairly good feeling about how the classes would stack up--and I understand that a boat that runs 100 mph by itself cannot maintain that speed in rough water and competition--that is where experienced handicapping becomes important. There would be individual class trophies as well as overall trophies for the winning boats.
;) Capnzee

Ron Hill
01-15-2005, 07:30 PM
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capnzee
01-15-2005, 11:14 PM
I sent an E-mail off to the Salton Sea folks and will report back, it could be the place to go. Capnzee

Ron Hill
01-20-2005, 08:23 PM
Earl McKinney ran this boat at Parker, 1978. Earl also owned Al Stoker's V Hull that won Division IV or V...

My point, Earl didn't want to run a "LITTLE OUTBOARD KICKER". He wanted a real boat around him. I think a 27 foot limit would bring out people that want to race "THE RIVER"...

capnzee
01-24-2005, 03:36 PM
I have pretty much decided to limit the size of the boats to 24 feet, not including the out drive units. I want to take this race back to safe family boat racing where ordinary guys could show up with a boat that they put together for a few thousand and go racing. We have to stop somewhere and I don't care to put boats over 24 feet on the water with the smaller boats. I don't feel boat racing got started with the guys running the 27 footer and if he can afford a boat that big, a boat within the present rules (as I see them) shouldn't be out of his budget. I would rather see a dozen boats under 20 feet with guys who think they can win than one 27 footer that washes out the pits and can't get around a single pin anyway. This race is not for the"big" guys, its for the "us" guys, the guys who can't afford a professional mechanic at every race, the guys who will never get a "factory" engine, the guys who have to run next door to "borrow" a nut or a bolt. As far as I am concerned, boat racing has gotten too professional, too costly, too fast, too dangerous and it has cost us the "family" sport we grew-up with! I am trying my best to put on a safe race with boats that will run safely at 100 mph or slower, a race that the insurance companies can "stomach" and I can look them "in the eye" and tell them we have done everything in the books to make this race a safe race while encouraging the competitive spirit of the amateurs as well as the "professionals" in boat racing. :) Capnzee

Ron Hill
01-26-2005, 08:09 PM
What if I saw a foot off the front of my 25 footer? Am I legal??

Greg Foster has accepted the Chair of the Outboard Division of this Marathon.....Just finishing 350 Miles with my outboard will be something....of course, I have a 15 HP...I think I get a two day head start!!!!

kws
01-28-2005, 12:23 AM
roflmao thats funny Ron only 2 days?

Ron Hill
01-28-2005, 04:41 PM
A GROUP: Bass Boat: 2006 Legal, Any 2 Stroke
B GROUP: V Bottom Outboard: Middle of the propshaft even with the bottom of the boat
C GROUP: V Bottom V-Drive:
D Group: MOD VP Bottom Outboard: Propshaft middle, 2 inches below the bottom
E Group: Sterndrive V Bottom

24 Fott Max length
Two seats in all boats
3 ten minute manatory pit stops
Ski Race Driving Rules
No capsuled Boats
350 miles
Handicap Starts
Ski Race Insurance

Not 100% firm...But this is what Capnzee told me...

Ron Hill
01-30-2005, 09:15 AM
Craig Ferguson has committed to running his Schiada in the 350 Marathon.

Craig is the guy, who cut off 6 inches of the nose of his $400,000 Fountain Powerboat, so it would make the legal length limit for the Catalina Ski race...

His Fountain was like 40'6"...and the limit was/is 40...maybe 30...Anyway, Craig had the Ski race Official come to his shop measure the boat...they drew a line on the nose where the boat would be legal...Craig grabbed his Sawsall and saw the nose off that mother...Of course, he won the ski race, too...

He has a Skater Cat that he's won two World Offshore Championships with. He's bankrolled the Huntington Beach offshore race just about every year it has run....He and his family a great people...

When CRAIG says, "It sounds like fun, I'll run." I can figure we have our first entry in the V Drive Division. Hmm...maybe a sponosr too!!!

Ron Hill
01-30-2005, 09:18 AM
There will be a Classic Boat Show as part of our Parker 350 Marathon... Fabulous
cash and prized awarded...

Bring your boat and show it....

Mike Fjeld
01-30-2005, 10:59 AM
I’m disappointed that there will be no capsules. I have been talking with a few of the SuperSport guys about getting a few boats out west. Oh well, it will save 5000 miles on my truck

capnzee
02-04-2005, 03:25 PM
Mike, take that capsule off and come run with us or, If you are not strapped in and you can get out of those things we may allow your boats to run. I am really trying to keep the really fast, "hung out to dry" type race boats from competing. If I can show that we are production type boats, not hell bent on destroying each other, maybe we can get insurance and go back to fun/family type boat racing. We simply can't afford to pay a half dozen divers to sit in their wet suits for a full day.

capnzee
02-05-2005, 04:43 PM
Five Pages Of Parker Enduro

Mike Fjeld
02-05-2005, 05:17 PM
I am a little confused. The reason we have safety cells is for safety. I understand what you are trying to do with the Ski-Race rules. BUT we will be going into a corner with-out a skier behind us. In ski-racing it is normal to slow down enough for the skier to get through the turn, but with-out a skier the boats will be going much faster. If a boat doesn’t set or hooks there will be serious problems in a open cockpit.
The best place to pass is in the corner and if you take that away????? is it racing??? hmm

I have been in to many races the past few years that many drivers would have been seriously hurt if they were not in a capsule.

I think going backwards on safety is a mistake.

If I can’t be in a capsule— sorry, I have to pass on this one.

Mike

capnzee
02-05-2005, 05:50 PM
sorry Mike, I just didn't realize how high performance your boat was. We are not looking for racing boats in this event. We are not even calling this event a race, it will be a 350 mile marathon and there will be plenty of opportunity to pass without doing it in the close quarters of a tight turn, unless of course you can hold a lane, then please do.

Mike Fjeld
02-05-2005, 06:30 PM
Capn,
My boat is not high performance. The reason I race the class I do is because it is some what safe. Please do not take offence from my post, they are just MY opinions.
If it's a closed course with turns and many boats--- I want to be in a capsule. It's my choice.

I know that you are working very hard at putting this race together and I wish you the very best.

MIke

racer98
02-05-2005, 07:08 PM
Next GNRA Meeting: Ross’s Office (562) 633-6200

**Feb. 13 - Sunday - 9:30 AM**

"Nut Kettle Office"

7723 Somerset Blvd., Paramount, CA

(North of Somerset, West of RR tracks)

Come on over and pitch your Ideas. I for one will not continue GN racing without a capsule, but a series of enduro's might be just the ticket. Need to know if this is for real?

capnzee
02-06-2005, 08:44 AM
Be sure and have a look at the proposed rules before coming to the meeting on the 13th. They appear as an attachment about 5 posts back. The question is, is it for real?--gentlemen, that is up to you! Ron and I will make it happen, if it appears we have the interest. I believe we need a minimum of 50 boats to make this regatta a success. I have heard in the past that "many have promised, but few have shown". We can't make this event run on "lip service". I have a chairman, Ronnie Fluent, working on the E class boats (production outdrives-25'), Greg Foster is chairing the D class (production outboard ski boats) , I am looking for help in the A-B-and C classes plus a lot more help down the line.We may be able to put this together in 05 or we may have to try for 06. These are some of the things we will discuss at the Endurance Meeting which follows the GN meeting on the 13th. We plan on beginning our meeting shortly after the GN meeting finishes which should be around 10:30. 7723 Sommerset Ave., Paramount, Ca. Any one care to post directions off the 91 Freeway? Capnzee

Ron Hill
02-06-2005, 10:23 AM
This Regatta is for real. I'm watching the end of the 24 Hour of Daytona....

Key words I heard..Gentlemen Racers, Sportsmen, Racing for Fun, VOLUNTEERS..

The whole 24 Hour is run by Volunteers from the Sports Car Club of America.

I also notice that different cars are in different classes...I see drivers mantaining their lanes...

THE BRF Parker 350 Marathon is going to be just that a "MARATHON" ...Like the Boston Marathon. Everyone who competes with their PRODUCTION BOAT will have accomplised something, if they finish.

Think of our REGATTA as a SPORTS CAR RALLY....

I don't see us having 50 boats, but I do see some SERIOUS COMPETITION between the IMCO DRIVE and the BRAVO DRIVE developing...

If you want to VOLUNTEER your time, and or your boat, to help patrol the course....sign up. We are going to need Officials, judges for "BEST IN SHOW"...Scorers...

We are also having a CLASSIC BOAT SHOW as part of our Regatta...

ADD: Think of the DRIVING RULES as "SKI RACE" Rules. Ski Racers pull skiers all day long. They don't cut up each other's ropes. They treat the skier with the utmost respect.

We are expecting to see people run their $50,000 to $100,000 boats and we don't want to damage their boat or their driver...or drivers...

Each boat will have at least two seats, a rule we may not have published, yet.

LAST ADD:

On any given weekend at Parker, now days, there are probaly 500 boats that can run at least 100 miles per hour. What we want to do is organize these "RIVER BOATS" in to a REGATTA.....Call it a FUN RUN, if you like!!!! Slower boat are going to get a head start. These "HANDICAPPED" starts will be determined by CAPNZEE...at next years' Regatta, "HANDICAPS" will be established by this year's times...

LAST, LAST ADD: Bring you boat and run "THE MARATHON"....You pay $200 and GO!!!

capnzee
02-06-2005, 01:03 PM
You are right Ron, we did talk about the two seat rule. I will go back to the rules and make that entry, then repost. I really like that talk about a "rally"! How many times have we seen a guys whole day ruined because he thought he had to win the race in the first turn? The BRF 350 will not be a closed course race that has to be won in the first turn and it will not be a one mile course designed for either the spectators or for television. We will have at least a three and a half mile course or longer if possible. We will have 3 buoy turns that can be made safely, while maintaining a lane. We will emphasize that to win you must finish. Drivers who find they are not willing to run within the established rules will find themselves losing a lot of time in the penalty box. Capnzee :) :

capnzee
02-06-2005, 01:18 PM
Note: Changes Have Been Made With Regard To 2 Seats Required And Prop Height On A And B Class Boats. ;) Capnzee

capnzee
02-07-2005, 05:59 PM
What are your thoughts on turning this regatta into a Poker Run? minus alcohol, but all of the posted rules. We could give out two sealed cards at registration, then a card for every scheduled pit stop, with the overall winner receiving 5 cards and and all of the class winners receiving 3 cards. There would still be trophies as previously mentioned, the rules would remain the same. Why a Poker Run?--might be easier to get insurance and could be a lot of fun! The competition would not change, the course would be the same, the pits would not be any different! Thoughts? Capnzee ;)

capnzee
02-09-2005, 09:36 PM
We haven't had any posts since my last, asking for thoughts. It would seem that Rossdaboss was right in his first analogy, nobody really gives a crap! We have just about 3 days before our first meeting at Ross's office in Paramount at 10:30 Sunday, February 13. I can about promise you, if this is the height of enthusiasm, I certainly will slow down or pass the ball, better now than a few weeks before we run! Capnzee :mad:

RichardKCMo
02-09-2005, 10:59 PM
Why Do They Treet You Like They Do Do Do?

Maybe we do need more (guest help?) Makes me wonder why i voted the way i did myself.

I think if it was like drags, if ya got show money least you mite have a lotta noise? Maybe lites? Water skied to hedlites once myself.

capnzee
02-10-2005, 05:46 PM
Thought Maybe The Reason We Didn't Have A Little More Action Is Because The Old Mod V-p's Might Not Of Known They Were Invited To Run. Well They Are, Running In Class C 18feetto 22feet With The Center Of The Prop Shaft 2 Inches Below The Pad.see Attachment.
Ted Kolby Is In Parker As We Speak, Looking At The Water. He Believes We Can Set Up A 5 Mile Course--it Is Nearly 3 Miles From The Blue Water To Bad Knocks (hee Hee-sp.) I Received Information From The Casino That They Are Open For A Race On October 7-8th And Will Welcome A Proposal. Insurance Bids Are Forthcoming. I Expect All Who Are Interested To Show Up At Ross's Office In Paramount At 10:30 Sunday If Interested In The Race-=-.capnzee

capnzee
02-13-2005, 03:20 PM
A successful meeting of racers interested in running the BRF 300 was held at ROSSDABOSS' office in conjunction with a scheduled GN meeting. All interested parties were invited to attend. The proposed endurance race was met with enthusiasm. Some of the rules were questioned and changed. An example was the red zone when pertaining to competing boats. The red zone was reduced to 50 feet behind a boat being passed and 50 feet in front of the same boat. The side clearance of a passing boat was reduced to 10 feet. Jet boats and NOSTALGIA FLATS added to the "B"Class. The length of the race was shortened to 300 miles however the 6 hour and 30 minute finish time remained. It was felt that APBA provided the best insurance for a race such as this under the title "SPECIAL EVENT". Ross is going to check and see if one day drivers would require a medical to drive in this event. (that could effect whether we run APBA or not. It was felt that the only flat bottoms that would be allowed to run would be the "nostalgia flats" and they should be restricted to 75 mph maximum. The "spirit of the law" shall be applied to this rule and shall be governed by the BRF officials. (you may refer to this race as the "BARF 300" if it makes it easier to say-I will not be offended but will be pleased that you are reading the posts. Jet boats will be required to run a rudder as per the rules, no exceptions. Boats will have to be trailered to be fueled, there will be a 10 minute mandatory pit stop and there will be a minimum of 3 such pit stops. To increase participation, drivers must be changed at each mandatory pit stop or more often if the team so desires. A team may have as many drivers as they desire as long as each driver is a minimum of 18 years old and PROPERLY registered to drive at the BRF 300. The maximum boat length was reduced to 22' (bow to stern, excluding extensions such as outdrive, swim steps etc. ) The reason for this was to keep the water a little flatter for the slower boats and the pit area. At the discretion of the referee, the race shall continue under yellow flag or stopped in the event of an accident. Under yellow, all boats shall come off plane and continue on the course at a speed as to cause no wake. Of course there shall be no passing. At the discretion of the referee, the race will get underway with a green flag flown simultaneously by all patrol boats and the judges stand. Nuff for now--keep posted--if you don't attend the meetings, you may be left behind! ROSS GROWS NO MOSS! & I'm too old to waste my time, so STAY POSTED! Capnzee

MAXIMUS
02-14-2005, 09:30 AM
Well it was my pleasure to sit in on the meeting yesterday at Ross's office & hear the proposal. I am more than excited to be a part of this enduro & help in any way necessary to get it off the ground. Grich & myself will be running a 1959 wood deck rayson craft gn with a injected big block that will be built just for this function. I will be contacting as many people as possible to get some more entry's. A couple of points I would like to comment on if I may, 1 during the yellow flag I would not reccomend an "off plane" speed limit as most of the boats I am familiar with do not have water pumps & may start to overheat. Also I don't think a 75 mph speed limit is necessary for the flats. With the staggered start I think that will difuse a lot of the drag racing bs in the begining & if the water is a little rough then that will surely slow them down! That is enough for now. As for my boat, we will be making all the provisions necessary to complete a 300 mph race, & do it in a timely manner, ie 1st place! :D Anybody care to argue! ;)

capnzee
02-14-2005, 05:38 PM
Maximus--thanks for jumping in! I had thought about the lack of a water pump being a problem but was told that all endurance boats have a water pump and of course knew that all of the outboards and production inboards with outdrives have provisions for a water pump. I also have to lean to the patrol boats a little and if we have driver/rescuers in the water I think we have got to give them some slack--I don't know any other way, other than bringing them to a non-wake status and "freezing" their positions with no passing. Lets all give that one some thought and see if we can get a reading. I believe 95 per cent of the boats will have water pumps. Maybe those who donot would be forced into the pits during a yellow flag situation. A red flag would cause all boats on the course to shut down and of course the black flag would send all boats to the pits. This would be a drastic measure and I would avoid either the red or black flag if at all possible. Keep up the good work. I would ask either you or Gritch if you would care to chair the "B" class, which would include the nostalgia flats, jets, small production ski boats and bass boat entries? Thanks for jumping in and getting your feet wet. It was good seeing you again "Grich", we had a "hell of a run" didn't we?
Capnzee :D

bill boyes
02-15-2005, 11:06 AM
The medical is a APBA Inboard Category rule. Not in Special Event. K & K might though.

capnzee
02-21-2005, 07:49 PM
Attached please find a pic of Ted Kolby's "BODY SNATCHER" with Capn Zee at the wheel! Getting ready for the BRF 300!

capnzee
02-24-2005, 01:23 PM
Attached please find a pic of Ted Kolby's "BODY SNATCHER" with Capn Zee at the wheel! Getting ready for the BRF 300!

capnzee
03-03-2005, 03:54 PM
After several months of "slugging it out" with a lot of talkers who don't seem to want to "walk the walk" I have passed the baton to Ross Walleck. Ross has graciously picked it up and is ready to run. I could not help but feel Ross was saying "I told you so" but he never said a word and for that I thank him. We are meeting this week end at Bakersfield as to how to "press forward"! The classes have been set, the rules formulated, water, insurance and fine print has been taken care of by Ross. The individual class representatives have been named, however we need a class A and B representative. Get on line if you have any interest. I will continue to help Ross and will be available to anyone who wants information. (BJ,I haven't heard anything out of you for awhile--can you help? Capnzee

capnzee
03-07-2005, 03:12 PM
The name of the race is open to a major sponsor however until then, we will refer to it as the Parker 300. While meeting at Bakersfield this weekend, Mr. John Castelli brought forward the question of the race ending early because of a castrophic event. Good point!, Especially with the staggered start based on 300 miles. The subject was taken to committee and it was decided that if we were into the race 5 hours, it would be considered a "complete" race. Anything less than 5 hours would result in "class" trophies(prize money) only with no overall winner declared. This will be added to the current rules.
We have two of our class chairmen, Lonnie Fluent and Greg Foster representing us at the "ski" race next Sunday at Parker. We are in immediate need of commitments to this race! We need to get to the Bass Boat companies to see if they are interested in this race. Any of you have any inside tracks with a Bass Boat Fisherman? Our B Class has room for Bass Boats, Our A Class has room for Boston Whalers or that type of Boat plus Ski Boats.
Feel free to call either Ross Walleck @ (310) 704-3243, or myself at (310) 376-6392, or join this thread with your thoughts. :rolleyes: Capnzee

Ron Hill
03-11-2005, 07:23 PM
I heard, today, that Robbie Gordon will drive a FACTORY NORDIC Boat at the Parker 300. Do worry about insurance going up... Robbie can drive a boat...too!


I won't say where the rumor came from, but I believe it is a fact...

Ron Hill
03-17-2005, 01:55 PM
I'm starting a RUMOR.... and that RUMOR IS: Danny Hauenstein and Chad Hill will team for the Parker 300.... Their co-Drivers will be Fred Hauenstein and Ron Hill...

Stay tuned!!!

And could it be they'd drive a BASS BOAT??? Or would it be a single V HULL WITH A 2006 Verado Mercury????

Ron Hill
03-17-2005, 02:58 PM
http://www2.hotboat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73595

What is the medical insurance with APBA Special Event???

Anyone??

T2x
03-17-2005, 04:11 PM
I'm starting a RUMOR.... and that RUMOR IS: Danny Hauenstein and Chad Hill will team for the Parker 300.... Their co-Drivers will be Fred Hauenstein and Ron Hill...

Stay tuned!!!

And could it be they'd drive a BASS BOAT??? Or would it be a single V HULL WITH A 2006 Verado Mercury????

Ron:

When is this rumored event?.....

Can you and Fred enter...and still collect Social Security? ;)

T2x

Ron Hill
03-17-2005, 08:31 PM
I won't start collecting my Social Security until April 2006...but I can't speak for FRED...but, yes, we can collect and still race..We are covered by Medicare therefore we get the "SENIOR" Discount with APBA...

Rudy Raymos is going to run his Allison Powered Rayson Craft...this is going to be FUN...

Come out and run something....

T2x
03-18-2005, 06:23 AM
I won't start collecting my Social Security until April 2006...but I can't speak for FRED...but, yes, we can collect and still race..We are covered by Medicare therefore we get the "SENIOR" Discount with APBA...

Rudy Raymos is going to run his Allison Powered Rayson Craft...this is going to be FUN...

Come out and run something....

Seriously, it sounds great........I'm gonna try.........

Let's see........ do you still turn left at the buoys?........ or is there a joystick and autopilot in today's race boats?

T2x

T2x
03-18-2005, 06:30 AM
I just read the rules.........

What class is a 21' Challenger/Merc300x in?

T2x

Ron Hill
03-18-2005, 08:32 AM
I'll ask Greg Foster, but I think Single Engine Outboard. (Ski Race Rules...propshaft level with the bottom)....and what kind of boat?

Same class Hauenstein and Hill will run.

T2x
03-18-2005, 09:04 AM
and what kind of boat?
.


One like this.........

T2x

T2x
03-18-2005, 10:18 AM
I just called George Linder and told him I was commandeering him and his Challenger in October........

See ya there!

T2x

Ron Hill
03-18-2005, 11:32 AM
You come and run, I'll pay your entry fee...No, I don't want a ride ...I'll get my own!!!

ADD: You New Yorkers....Jersey...guys...whatever...got to drive like Gentlemen!!!

LAST: GEORGE LINDER.....running with the likes of Rudy Raymos....Legends of the sport.....I can't believe it...really.....

T2x
03-18-2005, 11:40 AM
ADD: You New Yorkers....Jersey...guys...whatever...got to drive like Gentlemen!!!

.....

Not on your life........;)

T2x

Ron Hill
03-23-2005, 07:50 PM
I don't have a boat yet....and as I recall, everytime Fred Hauenstein Co_drove with me, it was in MY BOAT, NOT HIS!!!! So, sitting around waiting for Freddy, ain't going to get it...Hell, he'll probably want to run a D MOD RUNABOUT (We'll give him a two day head start)...

I just want people to know, I'm serious about running the Parker 300.....So, I've been buying some motors....

I think these motors can be run in Pro Stock or Formula 150....

mercguy
03-24-2005, 01:02 AM
I don't have a boat yet....and as I recall, everytime Fred Hauenstein Co_drove with me, it was in MY BOAT, NOT HIS!!!! So, sitting around waiting for Freddy, ain't going to get it...Hell, he'll probably want to run a D MOD RUNABOUT (We'll give him a two day head start)...

I just want people to know, I'm serious about running the Parker 300.....So, I've been buying some motors....

I think these motors can be run in Pro Stock or Formula 150....

OK Ron, maybe I could finally get to use my "ski boat" for this "race". It has not been in the water since I moved down from Oregon almost 4yrs ago. I should replace the water pump and fire the motor up this weekend though, as I miss the sound of a 2.5EFI............I think the last time I ran it, it was runnin' right near 102MPH and still needed some setup changes.......

mercguy
03-24-2005, 01:07 AM
OK Ron, maybe I could finally get to use my "ski boat" for this "race". It has not been in the water since I moved down from Oregon almost 4yrs ago. I should replace the water pump and fire the motor up this weekend though, as I miss the sound of a 2.5EFI............I think the last time I ran it, it was runnin' right near 102MPH and still needed some setup changes.......

I just realized something.......I have WAY too many boats..........gotta start "cleanin' house"........

Ron Hill
03-24-2005, 07:57 AM
You'd be racing the Outboard Ski Racers...This might be a good chance to slow those guys a thing or two. Only thing you'd have to do is pay the entry fee and hang on!!!

Any hulls V or Mod V kicking around down your way? (Cheap of course)...

Good looking rig, why didn't you bring that to Bakersfield when I was be a Patrol boat driver???

capnzee
03-24-2005, 10:57 PM
Time to attach the rules again so that you guys will know there is a class for you--remember, in this race, "let no boat be left behind"! open the attachment for rules for Parker 300

capnzee
04-01-2005, 01:03 PM
Attached is a picture of Capnzee in a perfectly trimmed (for the year and horsepower) Sleekcraft passing one of OMC's finest factory drivers during a Parker Enduro (when it was still an enduro). Question of the day--who is the driver of the OMC factory boat, and is he still in racing today? I will only say that he is planning on running in Ron Hill's "ULTIMATE ENTRY LEVEL" class when we finally get it off the ground. In the mean time, look for up dates on the "Return to PARKER", 300 mile staggered start ENDURO scheduled to be run October 8th of this year. For further information, call Capnzee at (310) 488-3563 or log on this thread with your questions. :cool:

Jeff Lytle
04-01-2005, 01:26 PM
Easy........Lot's of clues there.

Illinois State numbers
The racing # ending in 1 (191)
Red Molanari

Could only be Jimbo.

BUT !! You're passin' him?? :D

Racing today ? Sounds like it just might happen........and SOON.

Miss BK
04-01-2005, 01:54 PM
But didn't Jimbo use a "Bubble" face open helmet? I don't remember him having a full face. Hmm...Who was his co-driver that year?

Ron Hill
04-01-2005, 01:56 PM
Who won this Enduro with that red and Black Molinari? Who's white Sleek Craft??...(#9.-Ron Hill's....)....Did Capnzee hang that Sleek that high? Or had he just gone over a wave???

ADD: I'm confused, too, MissBK...as JImbo always ran an open face helmet....and I don't recall Jimbo having a Co-driver...Kind of looks like Tommy Posey...but I'm sure it isn't...

Jeff Lytle
04-01-2005, 01:58 PM
But didn't Jimbo use a "Bubble" face open helmet? I don't remember him having a full face. Hmm...Who was his co-driver that year?

I was thinking the same thing after I repllied saying it was Jimbo. It is his hull, that's for sure.

Bob Hering maybe ?? He looks about the right size, and did wear a Bell Star.

capnzee
04-02-2005, 11:26 AM
I was thinking the same thing after I repllied saying it was Jimbo. It is his hull, that's for sure.

Bob Hering maybe ?? He looks about the right size, and did wear a Bell Star.
Hell, for about the last 20 years I've been proud to be on the same picture as Jimbo, now I'm asking myself, "who is that masked man?" Maybe Jimbo will pick up on this thread and give us the answer! :rolleyes: Capnzee

Jimbo Boat 191
04-03-2005, 06:55 AM
Well, all of you are sort of right-------but wrong :confused:
The boat is Jimbo's boat, but the driver is
not Jimbo, at that moment.............???
Now you can have another clue..........
Driver was also known as "Mighty Mouse"
Now "go think" and if you still can't figure it
out, I'll give you another clue............

Jeff Lytle
04-03-2005, 07:03 AM
Oh Man...............Here we go, we have to THINK now !!

Welcome Jimbo !!

Ron Hill
04-03-2005, 08:51 AM
Did Cathy get my e-mail or was it Rod's (Capnzee's) post that got you on...???

No matter, you are here. Jimbo and Cathy McConnell a live legend couple.

Tell us a few Ted May stories...
And tell us how you got started http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=738

And tell us how you got in to boat racing... Jr. (Russ Hill) tells one story, I'd like yours...

This thread is called "WHAT A GAL" http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729

Hell, you mom let you work on your boat in your bedroom... Tell us how you got a hole in your floor.....

The answer to the Full Faced Co-Driver: Your Co-driver parked his camper in my front yard for a week or two.....

Pop990
04-03-2005, 08:59 AM
Welcome Jimbo & Cathy. Pop Curtis

Jimbo Boat 191
04-03-2005, 06:20 PM
Well, now------I'm not real sure you DO know
who that mystery driver is Ronnie, excuse me.....Ron.
I don't remember, nor do I really think, that driver
ever parked his camper at your house..............

Now........keep thinking........I know you are OLD
because YOU can't even remember being in our
wedding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Come on you other guys, and ladies, out there.......
dig into the deep, long forgotton parts of your brains....... :rolleyes:

Ron Hill
04-03-2005, 09:06 PM
I was thinking Mike Downard....as Mike came and stayed at my house after a PROP TOUR Race at Lake Mead...

But then, I thought King Woods (Barry Woods)....

Some how, all those Havasu's and Parker you won, I only remember Ted May driving with you in the black and white Scotti...

Wasn't Renato, because he'd have wanted to drive a NEW boat.

Jimbo and Buck Thornton??? Jimbo and Kenny Stevenson???

I really don't know!

As far as forgetting I was in your wedding...that WAS ALONG TIME AGO!!!! But I remember my date, and it wasn't BARB!

Jimbo and Renato...Jimbo and Herring...Jimbo and Cees....Jimbo and Spalding....


LAST GUESS: BUCK THORNTON...No, he was The Buckaroo....Mighty Mouse had to be Mike Downard.

Jimbo Boat 191
04-04-2005, 08:30 AM
Well, now, this is a first-------Ronnie is stumped!!!!
I'm going to write down this date!!!!
I'm still not going to reveal the mystery driver.

I will give you another clue.........his wifes name
is Kay.............. :o

Now think about that.................... :D

T2x
04-04-2005, 12:39 PM
Well, now, this is a first-------Ronnie is stumped!!!!
I'm going to write down this date!!!!
I'm still not going to reveal the mystery driver.

I will give you another clue.........his wifes name
is Kay.............. :o

Now think about that.................... :D

Is he from Texas?

capnzee
04-04-2005, 04:20 PM
Would it be safe to guess that his first name is Jim but not as in Jimbo?
Hate to hijack this party, but I got a call from a guy in Hawaii that wants to run a v-bottom with a rotory type engine. He claims it is an 80 cubic incher and pushes a 20 foot boat. He wanted to know if we would let him run. I said, "let no boat be left behind!" He will run with the 20 foot inboard V-bottoms. Ross, we have to get some entry blanks out, if for no other reason, but to see if these guys are real! Capnzee (310) 376-6392 ;)

Ron Hill
04-04-2005, 07:39 PM
Bill's wife is named Kay??? Bill drive at Parker with you???

AND JIMBO, if your wife is writing this stuff, I'm going to tell!!!!

I'd say Gene Thibodaux...but can't spell his last name...

Terry Leatherby from Illinois???

I already said I give!!!!

Jeff Lytle
04-04-2005, 08:25 PM
I added a bit of color to your posts with a pic.......Whatcha' think?

Jimbo Boat 191
04-04-2005, 09:01 PM
Hey, Jeff, pics look great-------that guy in
the pics is sure YOUNG!!!! :D

Okay-----ALL of the guesses are WRONG-----
but, I might add, there are some very good
guesses............NOW you need to dig
deeper or get some other OLD guys to
help you out or dig out some old newspaper
clippings......... :o

Next clue------this "mystery driver" usually
drove a brownish, beige tunnel with the
number " 28 " on it...........now dig into the
archives......................... :)

Jeff Lytle
04-04-2005, 09:07 PM
[QUOTE=Jimbo Boat 191] Okay-----ALL of the guesses are WRONG-----
QUOTE]


HEY !! Who's the new guy here !! :D

B VALACHOVIC
04-05-2005, 09:15 AM
I beleive that Ron Ackerman had a Mod U boat #28

Jimbo Boat 191
04-05-2005, 09:33 AM
Well, Congratulations!!!! Ron Ackerman is the driver
in the picture. He was Jimbo's co-driver for the last
two Parker races that Jimbo raced in-----1982 and 1983.

Ron was a very good co-driver------always did
exactly what was asked of him and brought the
boat back safe and in a good position.

Unfortunately, we haven't kept up with him and
his wife, Kay. Last we knew they still were in
Ironton, Ohio. Nice people and great memories.

Good job ending the "Mystery" !!! :)

B VALACHOVIC
04-05-2005, 08:02 PM
Thank you. In the Propeller magazine , I see the Mc Connels selling cars in Needles , and everywhere else (says call from anywhere we deliver) I think its great ,so others reading this look in the Propeller mag and check it out.BV

racnbns
04-05-2005, 08:59 PM
The guy in the pic looks like a guy I would occasionally have lunch with in Goats boat shop. Somebody said the place smelled like sardines after I left. It was fun visiting at the reunion and I still think Cathy looks young enough to be your daughter. We got to get Ron to come to the next one. What do ya say Ron?

Bruce Summers

Ron Hill
04-05-2005, 09:28 PM
They said the last OMC Reunion was the last.... I told Mike Gwaltney, why not keep it going, at St. Louis, as an Outboard Racing Reunion, not just OMC....

Yes, the rest of us have aged, but Cathy McConnell looks great...must be Needles AIR!!!

Knuckle Head
04-15-2005, 09:34 PM
What class will this fit into?
http://www.knuckle-heads.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_2679Stoker_Bill_driving_down_river.jpg
Stoker SST 224

Thanks
Bill Reiter Jr.

Pop990
04-16-2005, 05:14 AM
Hey Bill, Glad to see you on here. Hope Reiter Racing races the Enduro. Email me at boat990@aol.com

Flat Broke
04-19-2005, 03:15 PM
My brother and I would like to enter one of our 20' Jet boats in the event. With maximum speeds around 80-90 (first boat is in the mold now, second will be in mid June) and average speeds probably closer to 60-70, I would assume that we would fall into class C, but wanted to clarify, just so we had an idea of where we stood.

Also, have there been any projections as to how many boats we would be looking at in total? I'm trying to get an idea of what the water will look like once the full field is in motion. A 5 mile course puts the northern turn pin somewhere up around Badenochs and concentrates traffic in a pretty small area when compared to say the marathon ski races.

Additonally, if I can be added to any meeting notifications, email lists, etc. It would be greatly appreciated. My email address is admin@liquidaddiction.net, my brother's address is itstyson@cs.com, and I can be reached by phone at 310-594-1023. We are very serious about campaigning one of our boats and have already started provisioning to ensure that we are as prepared as we can be for the race. I'll try and check back here more often for updates and sorry I missed the meeting a while back between Ron and Ross.

Best Regards,
Chris

Ron Hill
04-21-2005, 07:11 PM
Bowden Development to run two boats in the Parker 300....


John E. Lane and his brother will run a Sleek Craft Tunnel...

John's BOSS will run his Stoker..

And...their "FRIEND" will run his STREAM...

Powerboat Magazine and Hot Boat Magazine will cover the RACE...

Rumors..

The Parker 300 will soon have its own LINK as a HOT LINE...

Them V-Tec Evinurde Bassboats are coming!!!!Look out Mercury and Yamaha Four Strokes... AND KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR HAT....

capnzee
04-24-2005, 04:14 PM
FLAT BROKE; Not only CAN you run the Parker 300, you are invited!!! Of course there is a place for you and your numbers look like you would run with the C Boats. You, as well as all boats, must run with a rudder (see attachment). I will get together with Ross this week and discuss getting the entry fees out. I will be pushing for a '"PROGRESSIVE ENTRY FEE"! That means that the guys who get their entry fee in early will be able to run for less. I would like to start the entry fee at $200 and raise it $50 to $100 every month until the race date which is October 7.

capnzee
04-24-2005, 04:17 PM
attachment didn't seem to attach, if it doesn't work this time, back up a few replies until you see the attachment, then open it. Capnzee

capnzee
04-24-2005, 04:23 PM
one last time! Just found out the rules file is too large for this program. I will contact Brock Hill and ask him to increase the allowable size for this entry. Capnzee

Ron Hill
04-24-2005, 04:26 PM
Rod,

It is BROC Hill with NO K.... What is your e-mail...I've lost it....

You want to go to Phoenix with me Tuesday? I've got a boat to pick up!

Rumors say there be at least 60 boats...

capnzee
04-24-2005, 04:29 PM
Can't Go Today Or Tomorrow--i Am Building An A-- Kicking Boat For The "300"! To Check Current Rules, Go To Page 13 Of This Thread, Then Drop Down A Few Replies And Look For The Attachment!!!capnzee

capnzee
04-24-2005, 10:27 PM
:) :mad: :p ;)

Flat Broke
04-25-2005, 10:24 AM
Capnzee,

I have had the rules sitting on my desk for a while now :) I saw the rule about a minimum 4" rudder. Not standard issue for my setup, but I completely understand why and there will be one on whicever boat we run. As soon as someone knows the who, where, and how much on the entry fee, please let me know.

Thanks,
Chris

capnzee
04-29-2005, 04:09 PM
I aM trying to get Ross' attention! So far, only talk. I will call him immediately and see if we can't move on this issue. Capnzee :mad:

capnzee
04-29-2005, 04:43 PM
Did it! Just talked to Ross. The thing that is holding him up at the moment is the resort and how much they are willing to "SUPPORT" our 300 mile race! Thus, it behooves us to be patient while dboss negotiates! He is opposed to my idea of a graduated entry plan but instead will give you the opportunity of a date-line to enter, after which, things will get more expensive. I am trying to keep the costs to the owners to a minimum and will continue to do so. Those of you who know me, know that I will do anything I can for you as an owner and/or a driver, but you have to be willing to "step up to the plate" before I can "pitch to you!" Keep those cards and letters coming. I will attempt to keep the rules more or less as you see them, the times for starts etc. however, if you can show me where I am going up the wrong stream, we'll move in your direction. In the mean time, Ross would like to meet on the 15th of May for an Operational Adjustment meeting on the 300 mile race.
All invited!!!! Call Ross for instructions on time and directions (562) 633-6200 :) Capnzee

T2x
05-05-2005, 03:08 PM
It's an 18 footer...give or take 120 inches

:D

T2x

Ron Hill
05-05-2005, 09:00 PM
Things are going along fine...As I read the rules, that 21 footer of your is 100% legal. I personally, want the length to extend to 24 footers...and I feel I may get my way...

This is going to be a Regatta where OBSOLETE will be too cool!!!! It will be the Boston Marathon of Power Boat Racing...everyone is invited, everyone comes for the "EVENT"...

Stay tuned!!!

T2x
05-06-2005, 07:03 AM
Build it and we will come.



T2x

Jackpunx
05-16-2005, 01:01 PM
I am very interested.. We have two stokers.. my 224 is to fast for this..
but my 20.4 should be perfect..
So I have been reading this thread for 18 pages trying to find out what the end result is with regards to rules..
I have never raced.. and we just want to have a good time..
how does it work?
do you get team drivers?
anyway.. thanks for organizing
can you post a new thread with the rules,fee's,dates and any other info we need to know?
thanks
Mark

capnzee
05-16-2005, 06:07 PM
Jackpunx, You are exactly the guy we have targeted for the Parker 300. We are trying to relight the fire under some new owner/drivers. Your boat sounds like it will fit right into fast outboard class. Check back through the pages and you will see the rules listed. The last set of rules listed are the ones we are presently running under although as we meet and put some "thought" into it, thing could change, but I don't think a whole lot. Date is set for October 7/8th 2005. Call Ross for details(562) 633-6200 and the latest Capnzee

capnzee
05-16-2005, 06:16 PM
Rules, once again

Jackpunx
05-17-2005, 08:32 AM
Jackpunx, You are exactly the guy we have targeted for the Parker 300. We are trying to relight the fire under some new owner/drivers. Your boat sounds like it will fit right into fast outboard class. Check back through the pages and you will see the rules listed. The last set of rules listed are the ones we are presently running under although as we meet and put some "thought" into it, thing could change, but I don't think a whole lot. Date is set for October 7/8th 2005. Call Ross for details(562) 633-6200 and the latest Capnzee

thanks for the reply.. so I just read the rules.. and this looks safe and inviting to the masses..
Looks like we fit in class C Modvp 85mph
Im going to work on some sponsors for the event.. I work at a large company that every one of you are familiar with .. they sponsor a ton of events but I have never seen them do anything like this.. I'll poke around a bit..
I want to thank you guys for taking the time and putting this together.. its nice to be able to participate in something like this with out having to be a pro.
Mark

Ron Hill
05-17-2005, 09:52 PM
It will be the Boston Marathon of Boat Racing!!!! Just running in it will be YOUR reward!!!

18 feet plus or minus 120 inches....24 feet and under is what I want....keep hearing 22 feet...max...

Lake Trash
05-18-2005, 01:53 PM
I have read all the information and would love to bring my ET back to Parker to do what it was designed to do.

Only question - do I have to have two seats? I removed the 160 gallon tank to make room for a back seat and would loose it if I go back. The current tank is 46 gallons which would not make one hour at WOT.

The boat is currently apart repairing all the stuff that I did not do right the first time that showed up during it's first season. This gives me lots of leway on configuration as I put it back together.

Fill me in - please.

Dennis

Jackpunx
05-18-2005, 03:05 PM
I have read all the information and would love to bring my ET back to Parker to do what it was designed to do.

Only question - do I have to have two seats? I removed the 160 gallon tank to make room for a back seat and would loose it if I go back. The current tank is 46 gallons which would not make one hour at WOT.

The boat is currently apart repairing all the stuff that I did not do right the first time that showed up during it's first season. This gives me lots of leway on configuration as I put it back together.

Fill me in - please.

Dennis

they didnt say how big the seat had to be,where it needed to be or if it needed to hold a person.. :D

Ron Hill
05-18-2005, 06:26 PM
I remember that many an ET Team would fuel their boat with about 55 gallons of gas....then ask themselves "IF" they thought that mother would run another hour. Thye would then take their drum down to the gas rig, order another 55 gallon drum and get back to their pits in time to fll their ET again....

You couldn't return the gas, so no one bought it a head of time....Now, US OUTBOARDERS figured to run all day, so, we bought our gas ahead of time....Of course their was many times I filled the motorhome with the let over gas....and filled the boats, and other people's motorhomes....then, dumped....got rid of the rest...

Seems one time, my Golden Retriever rolled in gas, and sand, just as we were leaving...she smelled the motorhome, and car up before we figured out what she had done...



Bring on that BIG JONES TUNNEL...It is going to be a REGATTA!!!!

Lake Trash
05-19-2005, 05:30 AM
Ron - that sounds like you do not have any faith the ET will go the distance.

Lets see, 60 galllons an hour, 9 hours, 540 gallons, $2.50 per gallon = $1,350.00.

As I see it - the only problem is my banker. I am not sure he will see this as a valid reason for the 90 day note.

Dennis

Miss BK
05-19-2005, 07:04 AM
All I ask is that you don't hurt that boat, Dennis. ;) That boat is awesome! Be easy on her :D

Ron Hill
05-19-2005, 07:06 AM
I think it would be WONDERFUL, if you just came a made a few laps...but, I well remember Mitch Lemke running ET 79 to the overall win...Lou Brunette of Ojai, came within a lap of winning....

You can buy gas in Parker, delivered for $2.500 a gallon??? Hell, it is almost $3.00 here in California.

Miss BK
05-19-2005, 07:29 AM
OUCH! Oh, Ron, I remember that day like it was yesterday. Lou Brunette had run the entire 7 hours - and just before the end, he crapped out in sight of the checkered flag. Oh, I was sick. And I was even rooting for the outboards!

But boy, it still hurt to see this....and knowing that if the river flowed the OTHER direction, he would have been able to finish.

This was March 1977 - and if I remember right, he had run out of gas. :(

Lake Trash
05-19-2005, 09:36 AM
Hi Val - glad to hear from you. It has been a while since you tried to get yourself smashed flat at the Rumble. Gean still worries about you. If you had came back for the next Rumble you could have taken the Eagle for a spin. I am still waiting for Ken Warby to get his skiff running so we can have the great showdown.

I took the Eagle out in Lake Pontchatrain last fall. 4 hours of running in 2 - 3 footers. The boat loved it - what a neat ride - but some errors in the way I layed the glass showed up in stress cracks. It is upside down in the shop as I speak having the problems corrected. It will be ready to go shortly.

Ron - I would love to have a pic or two of you stretching the Eagle out. Do you happen to now when the wing was added. The last pics I have of it running in the early 70's do not show the wing. It is a very high tech piece. All aluminum aircraft struts and very light. Somebody paid through the nose to get it built. I was guessing at the gas price. You are probably closer to reality.

Can you have several drivers? I had thought it would be cool for all my buddies who have helped with the project to get an hour behind the wheel at Parker. You too - Val. It rides so well I do not think it would bother your back.

Thanks

Dennis

Miss BK
05-19-2005, 10:56 AM
Yes, Dennis. My mailbox is on the other side of a busy street, and everytime I cross the road, I think about the Rumble parade! Whoa! :eek: And then I think about how you two stayed with me to get through that trauma. Thank you SO much. What good people.
So, I think of you both ....everyday!

When you and Ken finally have the show-down, please let me know! But I'm not sure if I would be able to ride around in it - My neck issues are similar to Leigh Furnal; another bad bump and I could have some major spinal problems. So it's a good thing I still have fast reflexes, eh!? ;)


I hear Ken has been super busy lately - what a "Jet Setter" he is! He recently met with England's Prince Phillip and was seen running offshore boats too. :D -- I'm in the process of posting a story about him on the APBA web site right now....

Talk to you later!

Lake Trash
05-19-2005, 11:48 AM
Ken sent me this E Mail when he got back from England. He is getting a sense of humor in his old age. He is headed back down under to make some exibition runs in late June. He does not think there are any serious threats to his record so his bright idea is to put a smaller jet in so there will be room for a back seat. I'm in.

And then I said to HRH Prince Phillip............"Lake Trash thinks he can beat my skiff with the flyin chicken !!!!!!!"

snatchblock
05-22-2005, 06:48 AM
Jimbo Boat 191

REf: your mystery driver Ron Ackerman .. He had for the last few years moved to the portsmouth ohio area living in west portsmouth .I worked with Ron and his boy many years of and on as a Union Millwright .Havent talked to him in months and months , last I knew he still had some of his old boats and engines ... Do you remember his mighty mouse tow rig?? The old sedan delivery he used to pull with... neat old truck . I used to love it when he pulled in to the pits at Portsmouth .. Ron and Jerry Guinn used to be our local area tunnel drivers in this area. Portsmouth for years held the noa finals here and years before that back in the 60s we held the flying mile races. I think even the switzer wing ran here at one point. We ran noa and I think apba up until the mid to late 80s I beleave then one of our town dumbies wanted ski racing , that lasted for a few years now for Riverdays here they have all kinds of stuff but no good racing.. I beleave we have about a mile of concrete launching ramp and there used to be a timers tower there also. What a waste of a great racing site. I can remember Bob thompsons (just add water) boats would be here Ben Roberson, Billy and Mike Sebold , and many many more .I used to always run crash boat here and have pulled many of you out of the water... Heck I even ran the Merc. marines crash boat here the one that You droped the front of the boat down and sank the boat to get the drivers in then hyd. up the front and ran for the bank. Yep the best seat in the house if your not driving is inside the race course Its a real rush to watch a tunnel or v bottom come flying into the turns flat out ....Up close and personal.... Im in the process of redoing my Switzer now ,Don't know if I'll be done for your guys parker thing though, but would love to be there...

If I see Ron I'll tell him about this site He would enjoy visiting with you all Im sure....

:)

rossdbos
05-25-2005, 04:26 PM
O.K. endurance racers here's a quick update:
I spoke with the Bluewater Resort today and I was told that I should be getting back a revised proposal shortly. I don't know if the terms are going to be acceptable or not but I have to assume it will. So keep your fingers crossed.
Next, I have a call into the coast guard for their approval and I'm anxiously awaiting a call back.

Rescue: I have spoken to the NJBA Team Rescue rep today regarding their status (one of the rescue members is getting married that same weekend in October) so I will have some more news later this week.

Last, I would love to start accepting entries, gather up promo monies, etc. but as you see I don't believe in "putting the cart before the horse." So I appreciate everyone's excitement on this event and I promise to keep you all informed as I hope to have some approvals very shortly. I don't quite know what happened to the meeting we had scheduled for May 15, at 10:00 a.m. seems I got several calls that people were coming but no "Endurance" people showed (except those in attendance of the GNRA meeting that began at 9:30 a.m.) I really anticipate the approvals needed for the event and would like to form an "action" committee to delegate responsibilities to make this race happen. Last but most important is the "rules" - I meant what I said previously, I want to have the rules finalized for publication so all attendees can start getting their boats together.
Any questions or information call me at (562) 633-6200.
Regards,
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENTERPRISES ;)

Knuckle Head
05-25-2005, 05:44 PM
O.K. endurance racers here's a quick update:
I spoke with the Bluewater Resort today and I was told that I should be getting back a revised proposal shortly. I don't know if the terms are going to be acceptable or not but I have to assume it will. So keep your fingers crossed.
Next, I have a call into the coast guard for their approval and I'm anxiously awaiting a call back.

Rescue: I have spoken to the NJBA Team Rescue rep today regarding their status (one of the rescue members is getting married that same weekend in October) so I will have some more news later this week.

Last, I would love to start accepting entries, gather up promo monies, etc. but as you see I don't believe in "putting the cart before the horse." So I appreciate everyone's excitement on this event and I promise to keep you all informed as I hope to have some approvals very shortly. I don't quite know what happened to the meeting we had scheduled for May 15, at 10:00 a.m. seems I got several calls that people were coming but no "Endurance" people showed (except those in attendance of the GNRA meeting that began at 9:30 a.m.) I really anticipate the approvals needed for the event and would like to form an "action" committee to delegate responsibilities to make this race happen. Last but most important is the "rules" - I meant what I said previously, I want to have the rules finalized for publication so all attendees can start getting their boats together.
Any questions or information call me at (562) 633-6200.
Regards,
Ross Wallach, RPM RACING ENTERPRISES ;)

Ross:
If there is anything I can do to help out with any of this (Phone calls,Etc.) just let me know.

Bill Reiter Jr.

RiverBoatCop
05-25-2005, 05:44 PM
Just got done reading through the 20 pages here. Just want to say that we at the La Paz County Sheriff's Office will do what we can to assist in getting this together.

For that time of year, we should be able to provide 2 patrol boats to assist with enforcing any course closure. We can't be used in a static position, but will provide horsepower for your patrol guys in dealing with anyone who gives them lip.

For the record, I'm a veteran of the 9 hour Enduro, also. I provided patrol in the late '70s-early '80s when I was with the Coast Guard here. I'm now in charge of the Marine Patrol/Boating Safety Division at the County. Same job, different color uniform.

Again, if there's anything I can do to help, let me know.

rossdbos
05-26-2005, 09:40 AM
Thank you Alan and Jr. for the offers!
I hope to hear something very shortly and as soon as that happens we will be literally "off to the races"! There is plenty of work to be done.
Alan, If you know or can recruit any local "patrol boats" for the event I would be extremely appreciative- I think for this size course and anticipated boat count I would imagine at least 6-8 patrol boats spread out on each side of the river.
Keep an eye out on this message board as it will be my primary means of disseminating information.
Take care and keep your fingers crossed!
Sincerely,
Ross ;)

Ron Hill
05-26-2005, 11:15 AM
TOO COOL...Thanks for the support... Ross will be the "BOSS" but we can all get behind him with our support. He know where I am...I want a 300 Mile Regatta...

Ross,

Are you considering or planning on racing out of La Paz? Seems they still have a great judges stand and good pit area for boats, motorhomes and all...

I will offer our ski boat as a Patrol boat for either or both days. Especially for the PWC Race!

Keep us posted....

rossdbos
06-02-2005, 10:27 AM
O.K. Endurance Racers:
I recieved approval today from the BLUEWATER RESORT & CASINO to host the BLUEWATER RESORT & CASINO 300 ENDURO on October 8, 2005.
I still am awaiting approval fromt he Coast Guard but the first hurdle is out of the way.
Here's some pertinent Information:
The resort has graciously agreed to be the host of a drivers registration & drivers party on Friday October 7, 2005. This will be for final registration, driver's meeting, and party. There will be appetizers served and a "cash bar" for liquid refreshments.
Prize Money: There will be prize money offered based on how many rooms we fill by a specified date. The resort has "blocked" 90 rooms/night (Friday/Saturday-two night stay minimum) at a racer rate of $89/night plus tax. If we fill up 100% of the rooms there will be up to $10,000 in prize money to be split up between the classes based on attendance. I would like to obtain more prize money but that will be discussed during our meeting.

So keep your fingers crossed that I get CG approval for the BWRC 300 Enduro!
Any questions please call me (562) 633-6200 or email me rossdbos26@yahoo.com
Ross Wallach, RPM Racing Ent. ;)

P.S. Boat Cop Allan please give me a call when you get a moment. Thank you!

Lake Trash
06-02-2005, 11:39 AM
Outstanding

Hope the rest comes thru.

Do you have a number for the resort?

Dennis

Ron Hill
06-02-2005, 01:09 PM
Any Tri Hull that comes and runs, I pay at least half the entry fee and half the gas!!!! I think this 300 would be PERFECT FOR TRI HULLS...
Tri Hull Racers....a question: Is there a NEW MOTOR THAT IS COMPETITIVE FOR TRI HULL??? LIKE MAYBE A V-TEC 150???

Knuckle Head
06-02-2005, 07:44 PM
Ross

I sent Alan a PM over on Hotboat for you. Just in case he missed this ;)

capnzee
06-08-2005, 06:26 AM
:) :) :p I've been sitting back and watching this thing ride. It looks like everything is smooth. Apparently Ross has all of the approvals except for the fish and game commission. He is very positive. We are meeting today in hopes of finalizing the rules, entry fees, etc. There has been some interest )not much) about shortening the race to 250 or 200 miles. I feel that the Parker 9 hour was the best and it went down hill from there, so am going to push for the 300 miles, with a time limit. ANY THOUGHTS? CAPNZEE

MAXIMUS
06-09-2005, 07:56 AM
After speaking with Ross, Pat & Grich last night I think everything sounds dynamite! I support the 300 mile deal. I like the staggard starts, & I am very pleased about the absence of capsules. I think that is a must for safety! I think that the helmet restraints should be optional or deleted as well. My thoughts being that you need to be able to constantly look all around you to avoid a collision with faster approaching boats from the rear. I would like to see the 3 mandatory pit stops at 15 min however, with additional needed stops regulated to 10 min. Mandatory driver change at every 100 miles or so is great with a minimum of 3 drivers creates a lot more participation & a safer inviorment as well! Also a bow rope, fire extinguisher, & paddel should be mandatory on board of all boats! Last but not least I would like to thank all of those trying so hard to get this thing to fly! This will be a great event & beginning to more events alike... Ross you are very dedicated to the racing cause & deserve huge recognition for your efforts! Thank you! :) Boat cop Ross spoke of your efforts last night & that is wonderful! This is what parker needs...

capnzee
06-09-2005, 08:14 AM
The race committee met yesterday to finalize the rules for the Blue Water Casino "300" Enduro. It is important that I explain to you that the race will consist of 60 laps on a course that is 'APPROXIMATELY" 5 miles. Point to point (straight line) it is actually a little less than 5 miles, however by the time you round the 3 buoy turns etc. the course is lengthened somewhat. We have removed any references to the mileage in the rules to avoid future criticism from any one. In name only, it will be referred to as "THE 300" HOWEVER IT WILL BE SOMEWHAT SHORTER! depending on how tight you run the course. FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T GET IT THE FIRST TIME, THE RACE WILL CONSIST OF 60 LAPS ON A COURSE THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 5 MILES LONG. THE RACE SHALL BE CONSIDERED COMPLETE AFTER THE FIRST BOAT FINISHES THE 60 LAPS OR THE TIME LIMIT OF 6 AND ONE HALF HOURS IS REACHED, WHICH EVER COMES FIRST. THE BOATS WILL BE SCORED BY THE LAPS COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.
I will attempt to get the rules on line as soon as possible, after review by the race committee. There will be a THREAD DEDICATED to the BLUEWATER CASINO "300" ENDURO and this thread will be terminated in the next few days. Stand by and stay the watch--we are moving in a direction and there is a big light at the end of the tunnel.
:) CAPNZEE :)

capnzee
06-09-2005, 11:47 AM
MAXIMUS, You have some great ideas! The rules will include a paddle, a 20foot rope attached to the bow eye of the boat. Helmet harness' will not be required however the helmet must meet APBA standards. The life jacket will also meet APBA standards. Fire extinguishers in each pit will be required and spelled out in the forthcoming rules. The committee discussed a 15 minute pit stop and decided against it. The rules will require a minimum of three 10 minute pit stops however, if in the spirit of safety, your crew desires more time in the pits, they may take it! The three driver rule was also discussed and decided against. It was felt that a hardship would be worked on some teams that would have to "look" for three drivers plus a scorer, plus a crew. It was further thought that available and experienced drivers are becoming a rare commodity and requiring a third driver would lower the quality of the drivers possibly lowering the safety of the race. We expect nearly 100 boats which would require 100 more drivers--not exactly an easy feat to some. In retro-spect and respect for the experience level of the gentlemen on the rules committee the decision was made to require 2 drivers, exchanging "seats" at each of the three mandatory pit stops. You may exchange drivers more often if you wish, but you will be required to trailer the boat each time and remain in your pit for the 10 minute requirement. ALL PIT STOPS WILL REQUIRE TRAILERING THE BOAT. ALL PIT STOPS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 10 MINUTES.
Keep the thoughts coming and I will reply as best I can. We'll work together and somehow BEAT THE ODDS!
CAPNZEE

chill
06-13-2005, 02:38 PM
How many groups? What boats are in each group? How long between each start?

capnzee
06-13-2005, 06:24 PM
There are currently 6 divisions awaiting final decisions;
Div 1 small outboard v-bot & tunnels minlgth14' maxlgth 17' engines will be of the shifter type with a working fwd-neut-rev; cracker boxes,JSS& tri-hulls
Start Time referred to as ST shall be ST+00:00 (1st start)

Div 2 Production Bass Boats ST+00:15 minutes

Div 3 Inbd. V-bots18' to 22'-nostalgia inboard flat bottoms jet boats Production I/O's max lgth18'. All engines naturally aspirated.
ST+00:30 minutes

Div 4 Outboard V production Ski that comply with current ski race rules/prop shaft must be even with the bottom/pad, measured from center of shaft with shaft parallel to bottom of boat.
ST+00:45 minutes

Div 5 Modified V Production-(shaft must be run a minimum of 2 inches below the bottom of the boat/pad, measured from center of shaft when shaft is parallel to bottom of boat. ST+00:50 minutes

Div 6 Production Inboards & I/O's- maximum length 22' (may be super charged, turbo charged or both. Multi engine outboards.
ST+01:00 hour

Lots of thought has been put into these handicaps. I have run stagger'd starts in Key West Florida and at the LB stadium and have managed to get boats of all classes to the finish line on the same lap--Hoping it will turn out the same way at Bluewater. Capnzee

spn#43
06-13-2005, 07:46 PM
So no actual OPC classes???????????
SST-45; 60; 120; Champ???????

Ron Hill
06-13-2005, 08:41 PM
That is correct....Special Event in APBA....we make up our own classes.... (That way we win...LOL)...

Mark75H
06-14-2005, 04:41 AM
Could they run capsule boats with an appropriate motor and the capusle lid removed?

(Not that a current lightly constructed sprint tunnel would have much of a chance surviving 300 miles in traffic! :eek: )

Miss BK
06-14-2005, 07:56 AM
IMO, if there are going to be heavy bass boats, tri-hulls and family ski boats, then a light sprint tunnel won't even want to be racing there. I've been on that same course with only 10-12 V-bottomed ski-racers, and the rollers grew as big as the ocean. :eek:

Ron Hill
06-14-2005, 08:17 AM
To get SEVERAL qualified patrol boats with divers....is next to impossible and then, to expect them to be ready for 5 hours..

We want to race the same boat we race every weekend...the RIVER has races everyday...We want a REGATTA.....a SAFE, FUN FAMILY REGATTA!!!!

With 20 foot bow lines, the "RACE BOATS" can act as patrol boats....if necessary...There will be winners, but the regatt is going to be a MARATHON.....

BRING ON THEM IMCO STERNDRIVES!!!!!!! (With my E-Tec Evinrude, I'll be giving the kids rides after the races....and after we've won our class...)...

T2x
06-14-2005, 11:16 AM
To get SEVERAL qualified patrol boats with divers....is next to impossible and then, to expect them to be ready for 5 hours..

We want to race the same boat we race every weekend...the RIVER has races everyday...We want a REGATTA.....a SAFE, FUN FAMILY REGATTA!!!!

With 20 foot bow lines, the "RACE BOATS" can act as patrol boats....if necessary...There will be winners, but the regatt is going to be a MARATHON.....

BRING ON THEM IMCO STERNDRIVES!!!!!!! (With my E-Tec Evinrude, I'll be giving the kids rides after the races....and after we've won our class...)...

Is Fred H going to drive the Evinrude with you?

T2x

Ron Hill
06-14-2005, 02:17 PM
I'm noyt sure of the motors I will be running on my two boats....Right now, all I have is 2.5 Mercs and some Suzuki stuff.....

AND did I say I was LETTING FRED DRIVE WITH ME??? I think I offered a ride to his son, Dan!!!!! I really don't like OLD CO-DRIVERS!

spn#43
06-14-2005, 02:21 PM
IMO, if there are going to be heavy bass boats, tri-hulls and family ski boats, then a light sprint tunnel won't even want to be racing there. I've been on that same course with only 10-12 V-bottomed ski-racers, and the rollers grew as big as the ocean. :eek:

Rollers?
Are those big enough?

Miss BK
06-14-2005, 09:12 PM
Add some white caps and you got it! ;)

Blitzkrieg
06-27-2005, 08:17 PM
The rules say the boat must have two seats. My boat has a small seat in the rear under the cover... and that is where the additional fuel cell goes. Does the seat actually have to be in the boat or can it be removed for rigging the boat for this race...?

Would I be in the ModVP class since this is a ModVP boat?

Thanks!!