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    Sticky: This is the one that I believe was the plug for...

    This is the one that I believe was the plug for the fiberglass wings. This picture was taken late in it's racing career and is a lot darker than most.
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    Sticky: Never seen a picture of a black wood wing. All...

    Never seen a picture of a black wood wing. All the ones surfacing on film or pictures are mostly white. Like the one pictured.
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    What happened with this project ??

    What happened with this project ??
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    Sticky: I could never really pin that one down. As a...

    I could never really pin that one down. As a "semi" educated guess I would say 1962 for the wood wings and 1964 for the fiberglass 18' wings and 1968 for the 20' wing.
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    Sticky: Thanks for the picture. That color combo doesn't...

    Thanks for the picture. That color combo doesn't look right. It's tough to think Mercury made them that way.
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    Sticky: Kind of like the Ford Model T you can get it any...

    Kind of like the Ford Model T you can get it any color you want as long as it's black :rolleyes:
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    Sticky: Hummm, the plot thickens. The T-19 is the one in...

    Hummm, the plot thickens. The T-19 is the one in my avitar and resting in AZ. Curious to hear what you can find out.
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    Sticky: Talking to Ted I got the feeling he made things...

    Talking to Ted I got the feeling he made things they way he wanted. I vaguely recall Ted claiming he had some sort of factory picture/advertisment that showed the cream colored Mercs....he couldn't...
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    Sticky: Did Ted make another friend that day ??

    Did Ted make another friend that day ??
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    Sticky: Did the cowls come cream colored or just the pan...

    Did the cowls come cream colored or just the pan down ??
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    Sticky: Ted was trying to get 10K for the pair of T2's...

    Ted was trying to get 10K for the pair of T2's when I talked to him. This was about a year before he passed away. No tell'en where Ted got the T2's. They were reported to be cream color.....Ted...
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    Sticky: I can only come up with six 18's that have...

    I can only come up with six 18's that have survived. There has to be more....
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    Sticky: List looks right so far :)

    List looks right so far :)
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    Sticky: Geez, now you are just teasing...... Think if one...

    Geez, now you are just teasing...... Think if one turned up a AOMC nationals someone would have heard about it. Sure it was a wing and you aren't suffering from "Wing Fever" :):)
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    Sticky: There are still more wings out there to be found...

    There are still more wings out there to be found I'm sure of that. Ironically more 20's are accounted for than the 18's. So far two 20's are running and one 18.....a few more running 20's will...
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    Sticky: Thanks for the info. Just trying to sort out fact...

    Thanks for the info. Just trying to sort out fact from fiction. Story sounded like a push, but you never now. When are going to have the rest of the Parker 1975 video finished.
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    Sticky: Interesting talking to folks the bits and pieces...

    Interesting talking to folks the bits and pieces of things you can learn. I was told the yellow 140 Bob Massey wing was raced one last time as a tribute to him in the 70's. This was when the tunnels...
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    Sticky: Was the Hallet an outboard....what did it look...

    Was the Hallet an outboard....what did it look like ??
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    Sticky: If you sold it for big $$$ and it ran great why...

    If you sold it for big $$$ and it ran great why didn't you build another one ??
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    Sticky: Yes you did...thanks...I don't care what anyone...

    Yes you did...thanks...I don't care what anyone else says about you your alright ;)

    Another thing about the 18's was once Mercury bought the rights to the molds Mercury was their only customer....
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    Sticky: Good story.....:):) Got to do what it takes to...

    Good story.....:):) Got to do what it takes to sell product......yup this baby will do 160 MPH no problem with a VW motor...

    I agree with Rich from little I can piece together there appears to be...
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    Sticky: When I talked to Bob he indicated he wasn't...

    When I talked to Bob he indicated he wasn't totally sure of the exact count. I think Bob was roughly/figuratively quoted some place and it became gospel. Remember as a small business owner your...
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    Sticky: Less....;)

    Less....;)
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    Sticky: I respecfully disagree with the 18 footer count....

    I respecfully disagree with the 18 footer count. I don't have a hard number but feel the count of 40 built is off. The two I have both built in 1966 are S/N 13 and 16.
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    Sticky: I have not had any luck finding it....but the...

    I have not had any luck finding it....but the 1967 Wide World of Sports coverage of Salton Sea Races used Jan Schoonover's red Mercury wing with stackers for background racing noise/music. It was...
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    It's not the Ted Miller wing. It this one picture...

    It's not the Ted Miller wing. It this one picture with triples.
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    Dutchman made other boats and had a lot of orders...

    Dutchman made other boats and had a lot of orders on the books when it sold. Plus Jan owned Lima Marine....not sure if that was part of the package.

    Yes, it is my wing.
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    From what I know about it....after Jan sold the...

    From what I know about it....after Jan sold the company in 1969 it went tits up within a year and he lost 400K on the deal. It's possible, but I doubt it's a Dutchman. Keep in mind there were several...
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    Catalog picture.

    Catalog picture.
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    Ooops checked the photo number....my previous...

    Ooops checked the photo number....my previous answer was for the wrong picture. I believe it "could" be his 20 foot Dutchman that was pickeled. What does the boat in picture 125 measure.
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    Sticky: There were two 20's that were rigged with...

    There were two 20's that were rigged with triples. Kenny Kitson's silver one that was rigged w/triples originially from Switzer. The other one was yellow 20 in the picture on the previous page. The...
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    Jan checked out of racing in late 1969, so he...

    Jan checked out of racing in late 1969, so he never set any records with a 135 Merc. It was either 1100's or 1250's...Jan's favorite motor was the 1100. I believe this boat pictured is the 16' wood...
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    The 20 I have was the only other 20 I'm aware of...

    The 20 I have was the only other 20 I'm aware of that ran triples. It is/was setup different than Kenny's. The transom ran all the way across the back carrying the third middle motor. The aileron was...
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    It's the rear cowl that goes over the motors....

    It's the rear cowl that goes over the motors. Just removed and sitting on the ground.
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    Here is a side by side comparison on the of the...

    Here is a side by side comparison on the of the Kitson/Threlkeld and Schoonover/Massey red wings. Notice the only difference between the two visually is the three breaks at the tip of the white...
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    The red and white is not one of Jan's wings. The...

    The red and white is not one of Jan's wings. The red wing I have is the Schoonover/Massey wing. The one in question "looks" like the Kiston/Threlked red wing with a different white stripe painted on...
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    Who ran the red and white wing...never seen that...

    Who ran the red and white wing...never seen that one before ??
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    Sticky: BP gear cases I believe. I was given them when I...

    BP gear cases I believe. I was given them when I bought the wing........wish I had the motors as well. Was told they wound up at the bottom of Havasu when a Kitson Craft they raced blew over. It was...
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    Sticky: BP's gear cases I believe. I was given them when...

    BP's gear cases I believe. I was given them when I bought the wing........wish I had the motors as well. Was told they wound up at the bottom of Havasu when a Kitson Craft they raced blew over. It...
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    Sticky: Yes, took me 5 months to track it down... A...

    Yes, took me 5 months to track it down... A little more info and pictures can be seen here....there are two pages - http://www.retroboats.net/gallery/main.php/v/Switzer+Wing/Don+Edmonson/?g2_page=1
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    Sticky: Not sure where Ernie blew his over. It was...

    Not sure where Ernie blew his over. It was destroyed and running GT-115's. Can you share anything you remember about it ????

    Picture is of Jan's wing which got wrecked in kilo run
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    Sticky: A lot of interesting boats got destroyed by out...

    A lot of interesting boats got destroyed by out living their usefullness and the ravages of time.
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    Sticky: I asked Dave Craig about this rumor. In 1966 it...

    I asked Dave Craig about this rumor. In 1966 it was not a cut down wing he was driving. It was a completely different hull that didn't work very well. The canopy Miss Skyway was turned back into...
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