Liberalism??

**Original Looper 1** · 05-24-2010

The United States as a nation’s state, that is part of the global populous state, cannot continue procreating dependency that consistently, disproportionately outpaces our productivity. Especially the productivity that comes from value added manufacturing.

The unique aspect of value added manufacturing is far superior economically and infinitely far more advantageous to a population as a hole in the long run than the exclusive value added of a service economy, in that it the manufacturing value added multiplier increases the ability to create far more reaching wealth in a society without the degree of inflation than a service economy expansion does primarily because:
(1) the multiplier ratio of the value added labor comes from a source that requires far less costly education overall that’s not necessarily productively realized in a socio-economic system, and
(2) we have to make the things we consume as a country to remain free independent and sovereign politically. Look how Japan and China have risen economically from increasing their manufacturing base instead of their service economy exclusively. Look at our increasing debt in proportion to our increasing consumption of foreign produced consumables. Look at the declining value of our currency since these trends began.

Case in point: Historically there have been many educated communist countries that have had a very poor living standard by any sense of measure with, at the same time, many if not most of their citizens highly educated. Cuba, former USSR, China, etc. China cannot and will not be the main producer of our manufactured value added consumables infinitely. Their people will not tolerate China being our country’s manufacturing slave forever.

The chosen few of Wall Street, I believe, cannot continue to portion the productivity of the globe while infinitely skimming astronomical financial rewards and expect the American people to continue to back this exclusive racket financially with their sinking middle class status and ship of state. Along the way, I discovered Americans that I’ve looked at the faces of and into the eyes of that have been set up emotionally to be financially exploited (myself included) by some of these the financial elite and the global intelligence among us, of which many believe that the vast majority of Americans are unwashed, undereducated and easily led.

Regardless, I cannot and will not believe that the vast majority of Americans will consciously help transition their country that they love in their hearts and take pride in into a 3rd world trash heap.

thanks,

Paul A Christner

**JohnsonM50** · 05-24-2010

Originally Posted by RTM

The immigration problem was caused by every conservatives hero, Ronald Regan with his amnesty program. Google it up and read about it if you don`t remember. So many illegals flooded into our country a short time later, were given amnesty and voting privileges, that they became a factor in our elections. No president since, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, or Obama would get involved with changing the process, when over 20% of our population is Hispanic. No way we can send all these people back now that the damage has been done. Our President wants to close the borders, and insure no more can get in and let the ones that are here become citizens. Nothing else can be done. It was Bush`s plan also, but he didn`t have the nerve to put it into action. Like Lars mentioned we have plenty of oil for our citizens. Problem is our oil is sold on the open world market, so its price is reflected by the need of "have not " nations. American oil should be used only by Americans. This can happen only by government control of who buys our oil. This is not socialism, its common sense. Let the "have not" nations buy Mid East oil. Problem is, free enterprise works on paper, but for businesses like oil, banking, wall street, that are essential to our lives and economy, federal regulations are needed. Our past president rescinded all these regulations, and we are paying for it now. These industries took advantage of our citizens. This has nothing to do with controlling private business, where competition rules. There is no competition in the above mention industries when they all band together to control supply and demand. That is monopolies and is and has been illegal forever in the USA. Problem is these industries have huge federal lobbies that pay off politicians on both sides of the fence, make the politicians rich, these companies get richer, and the American citizen gets screwed. If controlling these industries and locking our borders is socialism than I`m all for it. Our goverment in nothing at all like any European goverment and never can be. Our goverment does not own any private industries. Americans that are goverment employees are not employed in producing products for sale. It is illegal for our goverment to compete with private industries. Case in point. If any of you racers are also boaters and fishermen you will understand this. Not too many years ago, if you were stranded out in your boat, you could call the Coast Guard and they would tow you home. When I was in the Coast guard in the `60`s, we did this all the time. We even brought gas to commercial fisherman who ran out. Then at some point I can`t remember the exact time private industry got involved in the boating tow business. At this point in time the Coast Guard had to cease helping stranded boaters, becuase it interfered with private businesses. From then on the Coast Guard only assists boaters when threat of loss of life is involved. The goverment never bought, controlled auto industries. They lent them money to get them out of the huge jam they were in. Now their business is improving and they are paying the goverment back. simple as that. Don`t buy into everything you see on cable TV. Don`t by stupid.

Rich

As usual, the sharpest 'tool' in the shed according to?? After reading this & the rest of the posts it appears that any daring to disagree must not only be stupid but blinded by religion, TV, etc.
Even Russia, our esteemed ex partner in M-A-D & China, differing from Russian diplomacy [as in it comes from the end of a gun], are slowly moving AWAY from communism because its a greater evil & most important, doesn't work. Meanwhile we slide towards it & you're one of its cheerleaders!
Your attempt to be smart & even civil till the end here Mr RTM will not gain you credibility with those you have blindly insulted over the last few weeks. I challenge you to re-read your own posts & honestly think. You might owe -more- apologies. Mike

**Bill Van Steenwyk** · 05-24-2010

Mike:

Based on his posts the last few weeks, this troll has no strong feelings of his own about anything. All he does is disagree and try to pull other peoples chains. I bet (as you have observed) if you started agreeing with him he would change his opinion and take the other side. Since folks like him have no character that allows them to have opinions of their own that they truly believe in, he makes up for that shortcoming by taking the other side just because it pleases him to try to raise someones blood pressure.

The quickest way to get rid of him will be to ignore whatever he posts here. He is not worth the effort because he has no character that allows strong beliefs of his own, no matter the subject or point of view. As you noted, that is pretty obvious if you go back and read his posts. Truth be known, he probably is not even a boat racer, but just a "wannabe" who never had the guts or fortitude to participate. There are many like him all over the internet, no matter the subject matter of the forum. Too bad he found BRF, but he is somewhat amusing when he shows his true colors.

**JohnsonM50** · 05-24-2010

Originally Posted by Bill Van Steenwyk

Mike:

Based on his posts the last few weeks, this troll has no strong feelings of his own about anything. All he does is disagree and try to pull other peoples chains. I bet (as you have observed) if you started agreeing with him he would change his opinion and take the other side. Since folks like him have no character that allows them to have opinions of their own that they truly believe in, he makes up for that shortcoming by taking the other side just because it pleases him to try to raise someones blood pressure.

The quickest way to get rid of him will be to ignore whatever he posts here. He is not worth the effort because he has no character that allows strong beliefs of his own, no matter the subject or point of view. As you noted, that is pretty obvious if you go back and read his posts. Truth be known, he probably is not even a boat racer, but just a "wannabe" who never had the guts or fortitude to participate. There are many like him all over the internet, no matter the subject matter of the forum. Too bad he found BRF, but he is somewhat amusing when he shows his true colors.

Yeah, your right Bill, Who needs [higher than already is] blood pressure. Pretty obvious stuff too, as you wrote. Guess it was just a vent for being tired of the general 'label' as other than just differing in opinion. Only new to racing myself its apparent that those who do are for the most part at least on the conservative chapter if not the same page & if not state so respectfully. Most of all tho.. NOT "dumbasses" etc. Hes RED at the keyboard. What color for real tho?

**RTM** · 05-24-2010

Sorry, I find no need or desire to apologize to the bigots and racists who regularly post on these "political" threads. LOL

**fyremanbill** · 05-24-2010

Originally Posted by RTM

Sorry, I find no need or desire to apologize to the bigots and racists who regularly post on these "political" threads. LOL

You seem to be fitting in well. What do you presume the ethnicity of the above bigots and racists to be. Slinging unsupported stereotypes does not make for a convincing argument.

**JohnsonM50** · 05-25-2010

Originally Posted by RTM

Sorry, I find no need or desire to apologize to the bigots and racists who regularly post on these "political" threads. LOL

My what color for real comment was not intended to be assumed to be black, I meant red for commie & YELLOW for 'chicken', doubting you'd speak face to face as you write.

**RTM** · 05-25-2010

(doubting you'd speak face to face as you write.)

Why wouldn`t I?

**Ron Hill** · 05-25-2010

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb

Seems to me from reading this definition I must tolerate all whtes, rich, poor, criminals, derelicts and the rest because they are a racial group. So, if I think Nancy Pelosi is a complete horses ***, I'm a bigot....

Sorry, I guess I am, as I also have CORE beliefs and I an an obstinate person about my beliefs.
I don't like ANY LIBRAL'S politics, I might like them personally but not their beliefs.

The world is not, bunny, ducky and kitty and if I have to be a biogot to hate people who would like to blow up Disneyland or New York city, I will continue to hate this religious group and consider them nuts.

And anyone who considers Obama a good president, I will consider them CRAZY.

People that are against offshore drilling, I will consider crazy too.

BUT, anyone one that doesn't like me, and I'm white must be a bigot, too!