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    Thats what i was getting at. U said it better though!!! lol

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    so without getting every one pissed.

    Where are the crash investigations from the Tunnel Boat accidents that have left our drivers paralyzed or injured?
    I have seen not one report that said "John Doe had injures because of..."
    If you have that information please pass it along.


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    I believe that the most important thing is how and where the belts are mounted, not how many.

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    you are half rite mark, i looked at reno's belts this summer. they are a good set of belts.
    i like the way he mounted them. i bought a pair of simpsons also, they were around $150.00. i mounted mine like Sam L. drawing. both sets can be re-certified.
    the crotch strap as everyone calls it (anti-sub) belt is for front impact,stuffs.not for holding you down. although properly installed, it may assist holding the driver down.
    the lap belts and shoulder belts together are what keeps the driver in his seat.
    a 2" lap belt will fit most drivers better. you can tighten them down to your hips better.
    i was not in favor of this change myself. but after all the specs between polyester and nylon, polyester by far is the way to go. as far as 5 or 6 point, and 7 point, there has been much study and clearely is the future. one thing i do like is we can get our belts re-certified,unlike years back were we had to replace our belts every 2 years. (if my memory serves me rite).
    so we are making strides to keep costs down, but not going backwards in safety.
    some facts mixed with my opinions. Donny

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    I have been in tunnelboats for 15 years and raced in a bolted in capsule! When I blew it over, the crotch strap ripped out the floor! When you stuff you body is propelled forward and up due to the boat diving downward in the water! I guess the upward motion is where the duel straps come into effect! Lol. The wider the strap the more it distributed the impact! Who would feel safer with skinny straps that ever stuffed? 45 drivers go ahead but at speeds over 100 mph I'm sticking with what works!

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    No matter what we do in regards to belts everyone will have there own opinion.
    No matter if you like the changes or not were not going to end up any more unsafe as a result of installing a 6 point harness with much higher sfi ratings. If everyone is allways so anti change we will never grow as a sport.

    Whats with knocking 45 drivers Curtis?
    " Is this rule brought forth by a 60 or 45 driver who's capsule is not up to par with the current regulations? We all know those boats are thin compared to the larger classes!" " 45 drivers go ahead but at speeds over 100 mph I'm sticking with what works!"

    Not cool!!

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    The research show that it reduces the amount of chest compression by a significant amount ( 30 -50% I don't remember the number right now).

    The cost is less than $50 and I think that you can add the extra belt with out having to buy a whole new set (check with manufacturer).

    A secondary result is you are distributing the load across the capsule floor with the extra anchor.

    This is not an attempt to fix the top to bottom movement (lack of head clearance).

    The commission is working to improve the capsules with crash boxes and more head clearance; but with all the push back on seat belts how do you think it will go over when your told your boat has to be thrown out because it is non compliant.

    Your elected commission put this in if your unhappy contact them instead of being a keyboard cowboy

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    changes,,,,,,,,,
    when there is a change some accept and go on
    some will disagree with it but have to comply to compete
    some will quit,,,,,,,,,

    i traveled the country for almost 10yrs in 120
    so have seen a lot through my eyes as a driver,,builder,and repairman
    seen most of the bad wrecks and looked at the boats afterwards

    can tell u this
    lots of accidents and injuries were INHANCED from faulty installation and POOR DRIVER USAGE
    of seats,,,no seats,,,belt location,,,belt holddowns,,,,steering....
    canopy latches,,,mirrors....inoperable radios,,,unsafe driving skillls..,long list

    we get in any race machine knowing in advance that can get hurt,,,,
    some get in with carefree attitude to disreguard safety
    some drive with disreguard to safety of fellow racers
    this all inhances the chances of an accident becoming more serious

    i saw in bay city
    a boat get a pickle fork rammed up the capsule wall
    1st boat nose dived and 2nd boat had no where to go ....
    just a friek accident.....
    since then the breakaway pickles were adopted
    most raised hell
    but is a good thing
    i think this rule is too relaxed on the nerwer glass boats as they are
    now in the mold,,,defeats the foam cushion breakaway
    as originally was adopted
    as a 2 piece molded boat is seamed
    at that piont is noway soft and a breakaway as was intenioned
    thats just my thought ,,,,,

    now was at kentucky when boat blew over
    and driver seat broke loose on impact
    which the lap belt went under seat and attached to back wall
    alowing seat belts to go loose
    this was the manufacturers way of install
    now at rule change for the belts is finally coming around
    the 2 lap belts will help distribute the pull on the torso
    as each belt attaches to each side of the belt latch
    is it perfect solution
    mabe not
    but in a boat sitting on the bottom
    its hard to make go aroung the leg as really designed to do

    so have seen a lot of installs
    some were bolted down in locations that have minumum securing of the driver
    and seen driver disreguard securing themselves properly with the equiptment
    good for instance is on the site
    in the blowover section
    at a NATIONAL meet in kankakee this yr
    where are ramp officials to keep an eye on the boats as go in the water?????????
    a 120 with camera on capsule showing blowover
    can clearly see canopy is DUCT TAPED DOWN
    as boat lifted,,,,,driver head rips tape and pushes canopy open
    can clearly see helmet 2"+ sticking above capsule
    then helmet flys off......
    all of this happening while airborne
    BEFORE IMPACT
    so were latches broken and reason to tape
    was helmet not latched or was it just loose
    was belts installled properly or not pulled tight
    was the driver too tall to fit properly in the capsule for the 2"rule

    this driver was lucky as it was inhanced to be potentially worse

    saw at orange a driver drive unsafely through roosters and t bone another boat
    ripped off capsule and driver was unharmed as
    seat belts held him in place,,,inspected boat and all mounts were still intact
    guarentee he was stapped tight on the dock
    as the unsafe driver would have something bad to live with if he came loose

    have 100 instandances to add but long enough
    i dont race any more
    and some may get on me for my facts as ive seen them
    but this new belt rule is minimum work and money involved
    to maybe help a tad more to hold u better so
    hopefully will aid to walk away if ever in accident
    john

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    Well said John. The hardest thing we have to do is protect drivers ( me included ) from themselves. The boats will never be totally safe but with some attention and education we can reduce the risk of injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BayCity17 View Post
    No matter what we do in regards to belts everyone will have there own opinion.
    No matter if you like the changes or not were not going to end up any more unsafe as a result of installing a 6 point harness with much higher sfi ratings. If everyone is allways so anti change we will never grow as a sport.

    Whats with knocking 45 drivers Curtis?
    " Is this rule brought forth by a 60 or 45 driver who's capsule is not up to par with the current regulations? We all know those boats are thin compared to the larger classes!" " 45 drivers go ahead but at speeds over 100 mph I'm sticking with what works!"

    Not cool!!
    I was simply stating that there capsules are not built to the same standards as ours! Hints the 45 revolution that came apart!

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