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    Default Marty - take the straps off!

    Unlless you gots a lid. Pat's got his canopy almost ready...it's purdy!
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    Default Ron

    A good thing about SuperSport for entry level is it would be diffucult to have a blow-over unless someone was trying to. At the speeds we race at, 75 to 80 our boats will stall with too much trim. When I am out on the lake just playing I will run a 29" prop and at about 83 my Vision craft will get real light and could blow over if running into a headwind. The 29" will take the boat to blow-out speed, about 86 or 87 mph with the stock gear case.
    I think I recall that Danny told me that my Vision was owned by you. Any info???
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    Default #9 Red Sleek

    Ron -

    Your last photo posted...

    That's me and Bruce holding your red #9 boat...Is that Havasu? and what year would that have been?
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    Default December Powerboat???

    Miss BK:

    Haven't seen Powerboat in quite awhile... Who's picture is on the front???

    I would like to see a picture of the jet outboard!!!

    Scott:

    Crayola Sleek...80, Witch Craft, 81, 21 Eliminator, 82 19 Eliminator, 83 Red Sleek!!!

    The blond is you??? I thought that was John Haddon from Sea Witch Marine!!!

    MOD VP, CAPSULE, TRANSOM EHIGHT...ENRTY LEVEL or NASCAR????

    NASCAR takes any spoilers, changes this for saftety, requires restrictors on big courses...

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    Default Ron

    What engine are you thinking about?

    Current off the shelf engines or older models

    1 manufacture or all of them

    Stock gear case or ??

    I think this is a very interesting topic and I'm curious. Will this attract more drivers?

    Anybody else have any ideas?

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    Default Great topic Ron...

    I have seen "Entry Level" classes cum an go, but never have seen one that made an overall impression...Well, less say it this way, haven't seen that many NEW racers flock'in to run them...Yes, I've seen sum classes formed to be entry level, and have see classes that should have been entry level, but nun ov which have made a lasting impression....Tha first time I seen tha Super sport boats run, and talked wit Danny McMannus, and sum ov the others, I WANTED ONE!!!....BUT, those guyz traveled more than tha ODBA, which I wuz currently runn'in...I have a 380 laser, and I think @ 1600#s, it would be az competitive az any in tha class, but...tha price ov a new engine kept me in Pro 120...Pro 120 wit ODBA, should have been one ov tha biggest classes in ODBA, because to me, it wuz the closest thang to an entry level class ov any!!...Cost kepp low by use'in old stuff, open enuff to use varyable hulls, and it didn't take BIG BUCKS to git going, and be competitive...But NO cigar!!!...

    The Type boat your talk'in would be heaven sent, at least from my stand point...I would like my kid to race, but he hasn't shown me tha skillz it takes to drive a 16' laser vee bottom wit 200+ hp!!...A boat az U are refering, would be safe enuff for a young'un to cut hiz teeth on, and at tha same time groom hiz drive'in skills for other classes...Tha kidz are tha ones that will be take'in this sport ov race'in to tha nex step, and a safe, vurtually blowover proof hull, would be tha ticket for Moms and Dadz to encurage thier kids to race...

    HP...how much iz enuff, and not enuff???...Tha "Water Mouse" U spoke ov, wuz in my opinion, a purfekt class, but due to sum unforseen mishaps, and tha cost ov that combo, along with the cost associated with APBA juss to run, made it not a entry level class, at leest not for tha average joe anyway...

    I my opinion tha "Entry Level" class should be dictated by tha part ov tha country U live, and are will'in to travel...We have Tha DSRA here local, and we have the Super Stock class that iz basically our entry level class...It is open to a number ov combos, and hull configurations...Sum hulls being more expensive than others, but all being competitive...Your pocket book, and drive'in abilities dictate what combo U run...Backyard boyz with ole haz been performance hulls and tha ambition to make sumpth'in outta nutt'in, thats a class that ever orginazation needs...

    Juss one lil thang I'll thro at ya about ya safe, non blow'in over hull...I raced R/C for a long time, and a hull configuration U mite look at would be sumpth'in similar to a "Spider" hull( outrigger)...They will run reely well and will unload air super quick...In a realistik HP to weight, tha HP handling capibilities are enormous...My spider wit OPS 90 would run 85mph(in tha early 80's), and for a boat that wuz only 40"s long, that would be reely cook'in for a full scale boat...Juss my opinion, which wit 50cents, mite git ya a cup ov decaff coffee...

    I like this site, good info...Keep on wit ya bad self...T-REX

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    Default I took this picture from Extreme Boats...

    VOLUME 1 ISSUE 10 of Extreme Boats.... The picture is Miss Budweiser, it gives the deminsions of 29'10" long, 14'6" wide....

    Pause a little:

    Can't agree more about Entry Level Classes coming and going....The Mini Revolution did balloon up quite a bite, but went out just as fast....and maybe here is the place to give my point of view, 20:20 hindsight, of course.

    A guy in Phoenix, just had Ernie Dawe and Harry Shishido go to Ohio to pick up a small hydro. It uses some new little Ford motor, purchased through most junk yards...four banger stock, goes 80...

    Anyone watch the Legends Cars on Speed??? Anyone watch the NOPI Nationals on Speed???

    I'll be the first to say I'm an OUTDOOR MOTOR MAN, but with all these little RICE ROCKETS out there...

    A boat that is half as wide as it is long, won't roll very easy... Build a ONE DESIGNED HULL FROM FOAM, just like a surfboard and power it with a HONDA ENGINE and Tranny.... Marcel made all his inboard hydro struts with aluminum angle...

    Or forget the car motor, use this designed boat with any 60 HP motor....but an outboard would cost a ton compared to junk junk HONDA motors...

    Problem is: or Problems are:

    1. Even Jet Ski companies are have a hard time making money.
    2. A race boat for a kid that costs $5,000 FOR RACING ONLY???
    3. The approach and recruitment of new members needs to be defined...

    IE: Most MINI BOAT racer came into the sport thinking they'd be discovered and be driving Miss Bud next year...

    to be continued...
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    Default Mini Enduro Series--- F-NOD

    Well, I met with Ernie Dawe and Harry Shishido, yesterday for lunch, we ate at Denny's and all had the "SENIOR'S Menu lunch"....Well, we are SENIOR CITIZENS. I have grand kids, Harry has Great Grand kids...

    Harry and Ernie first met close to 40 years ago when Ernie first started teaching. Harry and Ernie built Harry a Glen-l boat and Ted May helped them get a discount on a NEW Mercury 60....ELECTRIC.....

    They have really been friends since... and as Steven Dawe say when he was being inducted in the APBA Hall of Champions, that he wanted to thank Harry for all he'd done... Seems many a time coming home from races they'd have some kind of motorhome trouble, and Harry would come out, at all hours, either with parts, or he'd drive Ernie to work, then back after school to fix the motorhome or trailer...

    TRUE friends aren't easy to come by...

    We met so we could talk RACE PROPS, Ernie has written his Experiences of going to APBA Stock Nationals from 1959 to 1975, I told him I'd post them here... He promises to write from '75 to 2004...AND we talked about FOAM BOATS...

    This is what I've decided to do.

    1. Ernie is going to built a hydro, on the scale to Miss Budweiser.
    Actually, he will build everything he can from wood, all the straight pieces, then, I will get foam and we will build the round pieces and fiberglass them.

    My concept is to build a boat out of foam...all wood will come from Home Depot or Lowes, I will make the foam pieces and sell boats complete or in kits.

    I plan a wing, just like Miss Bud. Sit down. Not strapped in...High cockpit sides.

    Power you ask???

    2. F NOD (National One Design) to be 60 Horsepower....Division I: 60 HP 2006 motor Stock plus four 1/2 inch exhaust reliefs.in Division I. Division II: will be any Johnson or Evinrude with 45 SS powerhead on a production gearcase, 20 inch mid section.

    I have discovered that their are TONS of OLD Evinrude/Johnson/Tracker motors out there. Many don't meet the requirement for GOOD RACING 45 Parts, therefore there will be only three powerhead rules, 1. Deck and head height. 2. port height, measured from the block's deck to the port with a caliper. 3. Carb size, whatever 45 SS is NOW. 4. 4 1/2 exhaust relief holes will be allowed.

    Like this web site, we'll see how thing develop.

    I bought a 20' midsection and gearcase from Gordy Miller last week. We have six powerheads...

    3. MAY require a prop diameter, as I only want this hydro to go 70.

    On the propllers, I have helped guys with many props by cutting off the blades and welding new one one. I think, I can take a Standard SST OMC wheel, cut the blades of, shorten the tube, add a siolid hub, weld on four cool racing blades and have a fairly inexpensive prop...

    4. There will be a claiming price on the propeller of $300. AND HOW WILL THIS WORK??? EASY!!!! At Driver's meeting, if someone has posted $300 in cash or certified check, the referee will announce that the CLIAMING RULE is in effect. Drivers then, will have the option of running there best prop and maybe having it claimed or not. If no one posts the money before Driver's meting. The Referee will announce that NO CLAIMING RULE is in effect.

    5. Points: Easy: Number of boats beat (1 per boat) times number of laps.

    Ernie and Harry looked at me...Ernie said, "Well, follow through with this." Harry just looked at me.

    When I was in college, I always felt we helped Waylon Jennings get popular... Our Fraternity would go and listen to him sing, and drink CHEAP BEER....but we'd always help him sing "I've alwys been crazy but it keeps me from going insane." I only listen to CD's on Saturday, in my car, talk radio M-F, but Joh,nny Cash and Waylon are on, on Saturday!!!

    I'll keep you posted...
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    Ron, my thoughts exactly! I am living proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonHill
    Maybe, ENTRY LEVEL is SUper Sport/Mod VP....and itis in front of our eyes..
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    Why not Supersport and ModVP?
    The key to make ModVP viable (in my opinion) is to make it cheap, fast, and diverse. Ron, that Sleek you ran in Havasu would do 94mph with a crossflow OMC. Did that engine have any special 2nd Effort parts ie. even fire crank, etc? I really think rules could be structured to were 95-100 mph boats could be put together for under $10k and still give guys lots to tinker with. Limiting engines to obsolete designs keeps the factories...and the politics...out. No, there won't be any sponsorship from engine builders, but maybe from race promoters, ie. Bluewater Casino.
    Bill

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