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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark75H View Post
    There were some copies as well. Dutchman and DeSilva. The Dutchman Wings are almost identical to the Switzers, but there was never anything like the DeSilvas.

    Actually one DeSilva Wing should be called the DeSilva/Hill Wing
    Does that mean Ron had something to do with it?
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    your so smart I give you a A+ Mark. do any of them still race anywhere.

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    My understanding is that the Hills. Ron and Russ Sr. took delivery of the Desilva wing unfinished. Ron and my grandfather finished the wing with a few minor design mods and the rest is history! It was the first outboard powered boat to lead The Parker 9 Hour Enduro!! all was well until the counter rotating engine broke a crank! this problem plagued OMC 115 xs power untill the advent of the flex flywheel! I am sure that Sam can elaborate.

    Sam, didn't the Switzers have a stirrup of sorts where the driver used his foot to control the wing angle and didn't a driver or two become pretty injured due to this apparatus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker Hill View Post
    Sam, didn't the Switzers have a stirrup of sorts where the driver used his foot to control the wing angle and didn't a driver or two become pretty injured due to this apparatus?
    If you've ever been in a crash, you know it is hard to tell exactly what happened
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    Any idea about how many wings there were back then? I mean was it a good full class or just a boat or two showed up from time to time at a race over a # of years?
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    It wasn't a class of its own such as the trihulls Tim. But yeah, when there was a big race, there were quite a few running....and winning. If you could ever get your hands on some Powerboat Magazines from around the mid sixties to 1970 or so you would see a lot of pics of them racing.

    Pete DeLackner told me of the time he was going down the highway with a wing in tow that he was taking to his place for fiberglass work and someone in a car pulled alongside him. The other person signaled Pete to roll down his window, which he did. Then the guy asked "Is that the Bat Boat?" Rather than try to explain, Pete just replied "Yeah."



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    That's exactly what happened to Ernie Threlkeld in Norristown, PA when he blew his wing over on a kilo run.

    There was a stirrup that the driver used to control the flap. In Ernie’s case he wore a boot on his stirrup foot that he jammed into the stirrup. The boot was to keep his foot from inadvertently coming out.

    I think it was the spring of 1968. Kilos were being run in Norristown, PA. This was before power trim and they ran a fixed tilt pin setting. Normal tilt pin setting was the second hole. Tucked under to pop the tail. On his first two runs Ernie had been in the 97/98 range. He was running OMC factory V4's. The people from OMC, Jack Leek and Paul Kalb were not willing to settle for anything less than 100. They figured the way to get there was to tilt the motors out one hole to the third pin hole. While the motors were being tilited out, Ernie stated to me that he didn't like what they were doing. I told him if you don't like it, don't run it. He ran it. The wing didn’t like flying the nose and did a perfect 270. Went in nose first. Ernie’s foot got stuck in the stirrup and horribly mangled his leg when the boat tried to eject him. He has a rod in his leg after I think, several surgeries and alot of rehab over a long period of time. Ernie’s son is on BRF. I spoke with him a while ago and he says Ernie is doing well.

    As an aside. Ernie was a high school teacher and band director. He was also the director of the marching band. The first words out his mouth when I got to him after they pulled him out were ‘Who’s going to have any use for a one legged band director?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker Hill View Post
    I was around for many of the great west coast enduros: Parker, Havasu, Elsinore 500 etc, where the switzers were plentiful. Although young, I was pretty savvy I don't remember any Switzes with triple engines. "Trips" I do remember trips, Merten's, Pruitt's and Ramos' Joneses and some powercats, I believe I even saw a power cay with quad motors?.
    Sam, weren't the wings' speeds limited by their very design? Look at the enclosed cockpit boat 7000, the points of the speedmasters are out of the water!! If the boats went too fast, wouldn't they "Fly" too high to keep the props in the water?/

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    Look at the first picture (T-19) this is a picture (color slide) my brother took at the 1970 Havasu Classic. To make this image, I put the slide in a viewer, then used your uncles' digital cam to snap a picture.

    Back to the brown Wing in the pic above --- notice there are 3 motors. According to the race program, the boat was owned by Ed Stewart of Calif.

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    Default 3rd motor!

    Val,
    I noticed the third engine in the photo, I don't recall ever seeing a triple switzer, obviously they existed!! I saw a post somewhere, written by Bobby Switzer, claiming the triple gained 8 mph after the center motor was removed! Bobby attributed this to "Aero dynamics being better than raw horsepower"

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    There were two 20's that were rigged with triples. Kenny Kitson's silver one that was rigged w/triples originially from Switzer. The other one was yellow 20 in the picture on the previous page. The yellow 20 came in second outboard third overall in Parker 1969. Both wings did have working ailerons. Some top end speed was lost, but the acceration and turning ability was better. Yes, they did fly with triples.

    When the fiberglass 18's first came out Mercury did not own the rights to them. A few wings got into the hands of brand X, so Mercury jumped in and bought the molds and rights. The first 18's did not have working ailerons, too heavy and did not run well.

    I have heard 40 18's were built, but seems like less than 10 survived. I don't think anyone really knows for sure how many were built.

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