Racing Engine Sounds

[Bill Van Steenwyk]

Benzine is what I was trying to think of. I think "Baldy" Baldwin was a user of toluline to keep MX-237 in solution with his regular fuel mix. I don't really remember whether it had a distinctive odor or not, but the benzine definately does.

[Master Oil Racing Team]

We used toluene only with the "black fuel" mix which contained MX-237 The Master Oil. Bobby Wilson was the one that came up with the formula. 8 ounces of Master Oil mixed with 8 ounces of toluene were topped off with 24 ounces of Bakers AA Castor Oil and the mixture poured into a glass gallon jug. Add 3/4 gallon of tech grade methanol and shake vigorously. Pour that mix into a black (has to be black) five gallon can and top off with enough methanol to make five gallons (about half an inch below the spout). Tip black can upside down and back about a dozen times and set aside overnight. It is a milky color at this time. Next morning unscrew cap and pull up shiny spout. If the fuel is clear and a very thin brown ring circles the metal spout, the mix was successful and is ready to use. You cannot use standard Konig seals though. We used neoprene or another synthetic, the name of which I can't remember. The Konig seals would go soft very quickly.

Floyd Hopkins used to use a little bit of amyl acetate in a fuel mix. It was supposed to be of some benefit, but I don't remember what. Amyl acetate is some kind of banana derivitive and is like a concentrated laquer thinner. Toluene and amyl acetate both had distinctive smells. Toluene was also a bad news chemical if you didn't handle it correctly. Amyl acetate smells like banana flavoring.

[Bill Van Steenwyk]

Wayne:

I am VERY dissapointed in your telling of this method of fuel mixing with MX. If you were really your fathers son, you would have expounded on the reason for the "brown ring" on the spout (that would have made a really good post all by itself) and also when checking the fuel to see if the mix was successful, the story would have been better if the examination of the fuel mix for correctness would have taken place the day before the quarter moon at 4:35AM, or some such. I hope all Baldy's BS genes didn't leave with him. We shall see if that talent was passed on in further posts on this subject.

Come to think of it, this might be a good subject for the BS thread, along with background on the "Konig Killer" and Denny and Craig's invention of the "Gremitfaulzer" I probably didn't spell that right, as Denny corrected me one time before about that.

[Master Oil Racing Team]

Bill Van....I don't know why the brown ring was there. I only know that if the fuel cleared up, the ring was there. If no brown ring, the fuel was still slightly milky. It may have had to to with moisture in the fuel....either the last remains of a drum of methanol, or very high humidity. I honestly figured there would be questions about why the black can.

[Dave_E71]

Gene, sorry its taking so long. Still having lots of problems with the disks.

The audio player quality is acceptable, but there are issues with the digital recording; they can't be downloaded due to errors on the disk about half way thru (not copy protection for those who are thinking in the more advanced mode, just plain digital errors; the stick on labels came off in the players and messed up among other things, stopped them from even being loaded into a slot type player). We will have to make real old fashioned analog audio recordings to new digital ... the sound quality will be off quite a bit.

I'll send the CD's back to you.

Sam,

The labels came off the disks you currently have/had or the masters that Genes disks were made from?

*****TEST THIS ON AN OLD DISK FIRST*****
I believe alcohol (not the drinking kind ) will clean the glue/sticker parts off of the disk and you can use a Sharpie to label the CD.
*****TEST THIS ON AN OLD DISK FIRST*****

I like Nero for copying/ripping CD's to the hard disk in the computer and creating audio CD's that will work in your home/car CD player. I'm also looking for inexpensive (or free)software that will do the same thing...

Check out http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/9/13/11498/3759 and Exact Audio Copy http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ . The audio qualities of the analog recording of a cassette I'm doing right now don't seem to suffer to badly.


Have pocket protector, will travel
Dave

[Dave_E71]

Bill Van....I don't know why the brown ring was there.

I know, I know, I tried some experiments and I found the reason for the brown ring. I blew over twice in a 250 and stuffed a 500 once, in each case I noticed a brown ring in my.... oh wait, I just reread Waynes post and he was talking about a brown ring on the fuel spout.... nevermind


Dave

[F-12]

You're a real comodian................

[John (Taylor) Gabrowski]

For easy mixing of fuels did the advent of Klotz Technoplate caster and then UC Jack Rabbit make things one whole lot easier with less hit and miss?

As for racing engine sounds some one should develop a site for "open pipes" two strokes all by itself for everything from a KG7, or 20H Popper to the Flatheads.

[Bill Van Steenwyk]

Wayne:

Why the black can?


This is probably going to get me in the same kind of situation as when I saw the drag mark in the sand where your trailer was parked in San Antonio and asked what that was, and where was your trailer.

[Master Oil Racing Team]

No, No Bill Van. I guess you have been bitten (or have taken the bait) so many times by myself and my Dad that you perceive a set up at any little thing that seems a bit odd. I was shooting you straight on all this fuel business. You have heard of stuck engines because each of two guys thought the other put the oil in the fuel. It happened with Chad Hill last year I believe. We didn't want to get the Master Oil mixture mixed up with the regular 20:1 methanol/castor oil mix.

In those days my Dad bought black five gallon metal cans to ship Master Oil in. So we only put the Master Oil blend in black metal five gallon cans and standard mix in blue plastic cans. That's why you see on some of the test sheets I have posted whether the fuel was blue or black.

Now back to the original idea behind this post. I have transferred from an old silent 8mm film reel to DVD some old boat racing films. They are 3 minutes each. One of them is from Pro Nationals at DePue and I am almost positive it is from 1970. On one of the reels you can see Bill Fales in FRR with a screaming looper. There is a possibility that this was the race he had his deck rider carrying a gallon jug of fuel to top off the tank during the race. Bill won and I can't remember offhand who else he was battling. Sam or Jeff, I am wondering if I can successfully burn a copy and send it to you, would it be possible to mate some of those looper sounds to it on a DVD?

P.S. Dave...You can also get those other brown rings after you've been hanging out in Mexico for a few days, then have to run a couple of rough water heats in a laydown boat.