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    No issue with me ,I know you were directing this to all for our input, I really wish more drivers would jump in on discussions like this to get a true consensus of how people veiw the rules we all race under. John and Tim are spot on their analogy ,,,few of us have unlimited income to race or buy /repair boats much less get hurt and be out of a job for weeks or worse.
    Times are different now,,,, probably every region see's the same things.

    We have a system in place to deal with this issue,,,,,officials should be vigilant about FAIRLY using it. Drivers going to other regions to race and get a bad call and not treated fairly will probably not be back,,,and promoters are wondering why the boat counts are low,,I know several this has happened to.

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    Could someone point my toward UIM's overlap rule for tunnels???

    Seems when I was OPC Chair I had BIG PLANS to change the overlap rule to "LINE UP" with UIM....Seems the vote was 11-1 against changing the overlap rule...1998...ten years and I still think the rule should be this...Go in to the turn in lane four, exit the turn in lane four....I think this is close to current inboard rule....

    Did an overlap or such cause Chris Fairchild to get his boat destroyed and he got a broken leg? Capsule saved his life....

    The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 has RED ZONES in the corners....I think these RED ZONES are great and they have worked great for three years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Hill View Post
    Could someone point my toward UIM's overlap rule for tunnels???

    Seems when I was OPC Chair I had BIG PLANS to change the overlap rule to "LINE UP" with UIM....Seems the vote was 11-1 against changing the overlap rule...1998...ten years and I still think the rule should be this...Go in to the turn in lane four, exit the turn in lane four....I think this is close to current inboard rule....

    Did an overlap or such cause Chris Fairchild to get his boat destroyed and he got a broken leg? Capsule saved his life....

    The Blue Water Resort and Casino 300 has RED ZONES in the corners....I think these RED ZONES are great and they have worked great for three years...
    I agree with you on the red zones to an extent. It works well with hydro's and I can see where it works very well for the 300 but the boats get stretched out and have all day to race.

    Tunnel boats are designed to turn hard and duck inside and out. I think to say maintain a lane would take some of the good racing out of the class. It comes down to drivers paying attention to what they are doing in the boat. I knew the leaders were behind me even without a radio and I gave way. I didn't go to the shoreline I just moved out to lane 2 and held my line to let them take the turn and keep racing. When I passed a boat, I turned at the pin when I knew I was clear of them and would cause NO crash.

    Thats all it takes is for drivers to realize that it's NOT THAT DAMN IMPORTANT to get one more position and make a clean pass.

    Race officials have their hands full as it is, if we start trying to enforce a RED ZONE it'll make the calls they make even more B.S. and less consistent.

    Just my opinion.
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    i can see why the rules are written as they are however this is the problems.
    (1) at the start ,starting position boat #1 is overlaped by starting position #2, #2 turns on turn buoy boat 1 now in the roost can not see can not let off as to not get run over from behind.what happens 9 out of 10 times is over taken boat rides roost & flips over,hits buoy,goes straight thru turn in path of other boats,barrel rolls in turn,or gets hit by other boats coming thru turn.this all happens in about 2 seconds.
    (2)again at the start, boats 1 thru 6 boat #6 gets over lap on field and turns on buoy cutting in front of field. what happens? t-bone. i have seen this and been involved in both as late as last year.i dont know if lane in lane out is the anwser maybe on first turn only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave hensel View Post
    i can see why the rules are written as they are however this is the problems.
    (1) at the start ,starting position boat #1 is overlaped by starting position #2, #2 turns on turn buoy boat 1 now in the roost can not see can not let off as to not get run over from behind.what happens 9 out of 10 times is over taken boat rides roost & flips over,hits buoy,goes straight thru turn in path of other boats,barrel rolls in turn,or gets hit by other boats coming thru turn.this all happens in about 2 seconds.
    (2)again at the start, boats 1 thru 6 boat #6 gets over lap on field and turns on buoy cutting in front of field. what happens? t-bone. i have seen this and been involved in both as late as last year.i dont know if lane in lane out is the anwser maybe on first turn only.
    I've been on the recieving end of this also! Infact it was port netches last year with chris shep. starting second! I flew through the rooster tail and missed the first boat but took a pickel off on devin corbit's boat! The fact is that I knew he was going to slam the door but I keep thinking if I could get a little more he wouldn't be able to! No one was hurt but it was MY MISTAKE and if I was chris I would have done the same thing!

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    I think the rule in no way is perfect but i do not see an alternative that is going to be signifigantly safer while keeping the show good....

    I think if everyone used a little more common sense and respected there competitors a little more we would have less incidents.. Sometimes we need to remember that there are father, brothers and sisters in these boats and not just drivers

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    I think the rules are alright, but need a few of the gray areas added to them. When boats are passing from outside, for the boat on the inside not to run pass the turn and bear out. And I like what Tim said he does when being lapped. I don't understand why drivers seem to battle the leaders so much when being lapped, no lucky dog in boat racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Hill View Post
    Seems when I was OPC Chair I had BIG PLANS to change the overlap rule to "LINE UP" with UIM....Seems the vote was 11-1 against changing the overlap rule...1998...ten years and I still think the rule should be this...Go in to the turn in lane four, exit the turn in lane four....I think this is close to current inboard rule....
    If there were 5,000 votes, it would be 4,999 - 1 …..It’s called RACING…. Not a boat parade.
    Main thing is, use a freaking common sense….COMMON SENSE, COMMON SENSE, COMMON SENSE…….and if you don’t……..pay back is a “B”itch!....one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTBros. View Post
    I think the rules are alright, but need a few of the gray areas added to them. When boats are passing from outside, for the boat on the inside not to run pass the turn and bear out. And I like what Tim said he does when being lapped. I don't understand why drivers seem to battle the leaders so much when being lapped, no lucky dog in boat racing.
    Sorry i know this is off topic but i just had to reply to this.


    I don't understand why drivers seem to battle the leaders so much when being lapped, no lucky dog in boat racing.



    There is no lucky dog but if there is an accident or something to cause a race stoppage{ ie loose buoy, boat broke down on coarse, ect} before the lead boat laps the boat in front of you. Then there is an unlucky dog because when you leave the dock next time the boat on your left is no longer just a few boat lengths ahead of you he is a whole lap ahead.
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    Default I've Seen It and I've Seen It....

    The boat being lapped SHOULD just get out of the way as fast as he can. That SHOULD be a rule...99 per cent of the time, the boat being lapped, at least in 45, is semi out of control anyway, then, when they start to get lapped they drive like a "LOON" so they won't get lapped...The last car races I actaully went to, at Mesa Marin, seems they had a move over flag...In boat racing, seems when a back marker seeing guys right on their tail, they should know to move over....This should become a SAFETY RULE....

    This isn't off topic, as the overlap rule applies to the lead (boat being lapped) boat, and I've seen this boat cause an accident by slamming the door on the over taking boat...

    AS I told Broc Hill, at San Diego last fall, when you are a lap down, you let the leaders go.....(This was after Broc almost took Jeff Schmidt, the leader, out, when Broc hooked hit too tight in a corner...made a nice hole in Jeff's new Gran Prix). But by rules, Broc did nothing wrong.....but we did knock a hole in our boat, too...

    Seems the outside driver should allow some "RACING ROOM" even if no over lap has been created....."RACING ROOM" AKA a LANE!

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