Hopefully Vickie will bring her boat to the Nationals and let John or Tony show you what has changed in the past 12 years.
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I have no dog in this fight BUT if making front halves is not Pro Mod what is?
I woud have thought that there would be;
Stock,
Mod , looks like original but anything can be ground on ( with list of components that must be stock, or from same manufacture and stuff that is free. Therefore you know what you are getting into before you join the class)
Pro, anything to fit the rules.
my two cents?
850cc rule 5 for 44.9
No size or measurement specs apply to reeds or carburetors, however material may not be added to increase the size of the
carburetor throat and reed ports?
is that a typo or a mod I dont yet know how to do?
meaning add to outside and bore a bigger hole?
[QUOTE=David Mason;86549] Once they get good at Mod they can step into pro, kind of a natural progression. [QUOTE]
What you talkin' about Willis???;););)
Kenny Roasado and John went thru the start together side by side
with David straggling behind. By the second lap John had opened up a straight away on Kenny when the pipe tailcone blew off!
John saved the win ahead of Kenny.
David Manson finished in a distant third and wanted John to go back out with out a pipe for the second heat. After a little we both decied not to!
The race was in New York State not PA.
Do you remember yet?
Anthony
And It's not my opinion just the facts!
Just another boatracing supporter.
Add epoxy and then bore is what the rule is about.
Stock 1.50" butterfly 1bbs can be bored to 1.65" w/o adding.
Either way I need to know the TRUTH in order to get ready.
There is no dogfight just some confused individual(s) that are going by word of mouth or their own interpritation of what they think they heard.
Follow the rules and ask the inspectors!
Anthony
so, it's ok to crash at 99.9 mph or less, but not ok to crash at 100+ mph,
frivolous.
Talk to the insurance guys
oow, ya, never was in with that crowd, if and when i have the need talk to them, i use my Trunk monkey.
the rule posted, (i've never raced what ever class it's for), it's far from gray.
Anthony is right, most likley. He seems to be right, and makes good arguments. For sake of arguments I will digress and bow to his memory.
I have been beat by the slowest and fastest rigs out there. That is why they call it racing. Nobody is ever 100% of what they are capabale of 100% of the time. I have seen Anthony's rig win a race or two and I have seen him struggling with it in the pits with the powerhead torn down trying to figure out what it won't run. We have all been there.
One thing is for sure, you will have the race course to yourselves in APBA this year. I am not going to try and kill myself to keep up with all that fancy stuff. I will run what I have and race with the others who feel the same. It might get lonley racing agaisnt three or four boats for you.
Anyone can bolt on HP, the trick is figuring it out inside in stock form. The bigger trick is getting the set up right and consistent. I have beat the fastest rigs in the country before because they were not consistent, and or broke down. Fast takes it toll on equipment. ;)
QUOTE "We already are going fast enough for John Palmquist to want us in capsule boats. We bump it up a few more MPH and we will be mandated by the insurance to run capsules."
Neither of the above statements have a shread of truth in them. I have NEVER implied that I would like 850 to be a capsuled class and I do not believe 850 is going too fast. I do however believe that there are a lot of people who are exagerating their speeds the they are claimg to be seeing in the class.
In 2008 I won in 850 the Winter National Championships, South East Divisionals, Central Divisionls, National Championships and National Hi-Point Championships. I did this NEVER seeing 100mph or more. Not in testing and definatly not in compitition. On most courses where accelleration is needed my speeds will top out in the lower to mid 90's. With the speeds that people are claiming somone would have the ability to pass me on the outside with the same differential in speeds as a good CMH vs. a good DMH. I just dont see it being possible.
The other part of the Dave's statement that is untrue is his beliefe that speed of a class determins weather the insurance companies will mandate capsules. According to Mark Wheeler, (APBA VP) the insurance companies do not care about the speeds of classes. They do care on the number of incidences and injuries. Currently the number of both for the last half decade in the 850 class have been extremely low.
Dave I like you as a person and I really like racing against you. But please never put words in my mouth that are simply untrue.
John Palmquist
John,
I don't think I said you wanted capsule boats, if i did sorry. I am not good with typing and keeping up with my mind. I am pretty sure none of the current 850CC drivers want capsules. I do recall a post you made on another website about capsules though. Maybe I interpreted sarcasim for truth.
I was at a seminar at a National Meeting several years ago. The insurance people said they would try to mandate capsules if speeds exceeded 100MPH. That is what I am basing my thoughts from, not what some say. It is very tricky to interpret insurance these days. You probably have more experience with lawyers and how they speak and write than I do. I only have the ability to listen to them, and when i understand something they say I go with it. It may very well have changed, and if it has, good. It still does not change my thoughts on speeds. Low 90's is plenty fast for us. You see, there are different types of drivers, I am thinking of all of them, and not just higher caliber drivers. I know the speeds you were seeing at Whitney Point that year, as I had my GPS in and can estimate what you were seeing as you blew by me. That is neither here or there. That course is an exception to the rule, it was way to big for what we do.
The rig you are hired to drive is very competitive, and it has a lot of time and money in it to be where it is at. That is why you are driving it at times. It takes someone who knows what it takes to win and do it safe.
While we have had our differences in the past, I typically respected you as a driver. That respect built at Whitney Point that year. You had the oppurtunity to drive dirty and you chose to allow room, even though you would have been legal to close off the lane. You understand the speed and respect it, thank you. It is not a CMH or DMH.
I am glad you spoke up, we will agree to disagree on speeds. I feel we need to grow the sport by numbers, not wins. We need more people to race with, and this spending lots of money on go fast parts and machine work is holding the class back. It is a great class to race, speed, punch and all that. Lets not make it difficult and expensive so we only have the normal 5 or 6 who could win the nationals. If you want that, than I respect your opinion and bid you good luck.
think if we want to get people/ other racers in the v-rude classes we should put out some kind of simple info sheet that could be distributed at the race or meetings or??/ i remember seeing years ago nowthe motor on the back of some boats never new what the class was all about had to investigate for myself,,, i know to build one new myself was about same price as a d-mod ,,,, but easier way easier than a d-mod add all the machining that go's into a d-mod maybe also recomendations on geaqrcases and size of boats maybe even about what prop sizes would put them in the ball park,,, maybe with some reputable engine and boat and prop people on the list with contact info.... not like apba guys are doing not impressed when there list contains unreputable bussines/boat people as we all know who they are and leavethem onthere list... ,,,, just a thought................ side note haaa dave check out nbra super-e,,, record erik corpy,,, hate to tell ya hose motor was on the back,,,hehehehe...will ya be at calif nats/apba???
Well this is intresting i think this thread is off in a differnt path
[QUOTE=Detroit Whitey;86683]Well this is intresting i think this thread is off in a differnt path[/QUOTE
I agree. This BS needs to be moved to a different thread, so we can get back to the 3 cylinder discussion.
see if this works
didn't work, it's a film clip.
there are also some who would say and do say Racin any thing is wrong,
i don't think that is why people show up and or find there way hear.:cool:
best to stay on the course from hear.
? not sure ware you went David L-6, but if ya read this thread, you can dig out all the mods that work, how much hp with in like 5hp with said mods, just cuzz it looks like all that don't mean it is.:cool: gots to run:eek:
Sorry guys. It is a discussion about 3 Cys OMC's and those twin Anthony builds. It discusses potential modifications, within the rules of certain racing organizations, that will work. it did get a little off topic, and I apoligize. This is Fred's thread.
I guess my passion for boat racing allows me to run off topic when I see something I feel strongly opposed to.
Anyone can make a 56 CI engine go fast without rules and wildcat racing, or lake racing. To make a 49CI OMC 3 CYL go fast within rules and within the costs of the average person is a feat. Give me an unlimited budget and I bet we could see 115MPH easy with the 49.9 CI three banger. That is kind of my point.
Back to Freds Thread. If Anthony or anyone wants to post more on this off topic discussion, PM me, or start a new thread. Anthony, should you choose to answer the one question posed about payment vs time of delivery of promised product, just PM me or post it in a new thread. I am sure there are some who would like to know.
Custom Mod 50 8 Pedal Front For Drag Racing.
Regards,
Anthony
anyone know why the wiseco pistons keep cracking the lower skirts by the port window??/ have tried lots of different clearances and still brake hec even others here have same prob and also noticed some stock omc pistons cracked also?? rod length or??? is there a fix????
Fred tank testin my mod sst60!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wA_uw49uWA
Sounds like slapping from timing or too loose in bore. Dave
mmm had new bores we all brake them there 6 of us raceingthe motors here,,,, had to wiseco specs and tighter and looser m?? timeing we all time different from about 16 degg to 22degg,,,, stock is 16 and 19 degg..
" my boat is to fast" not a problem i've ever had, and or would or will ever have. thats just not for me. so my self i can not help you, seems like some ideas were said.
formeone are you runnin a thermo in the head? are you sure she is gettin up to temp?:cool:
no thermostat,,, now running digitron with temp so will know,,,, about 4 or 5 of us have same prob up here sooo just not me,,,, mmmm will check some previous posts i guess ,,,,,
is that with stock 49 rods or Mod 50 length?
stock 49 rods and wiseco"s hec have taken stock evinrudes apart and seen cracked skirts also!!
sounds cold to me, with out a 6 pack front 1/2 she will not make enough BTU's to over come the coolin system without a thermo. runs cold, needs temp to expand and make the clearances needed.:cool:
mmm thanks fred will check with temp on my didgitron and also thermo gun,,,,, wierd that also see stockers crack there skirts also on sum of the motors ive taken apart,,,,, i know it a hec of a problem here between all of us,,,, hec the one guy skirt cracked when leading the nats last summer and vented his motor,,,,
the film clip, SST60 cases New, new wisco's, all tricked out inside. she's got a thermo, needs it to hold a runnin temp. the 75hp thermo set up is trick, got a thermo and two relief valves, if you don't have a Mod50 front 1/2 setup, you need a thermo. or she will not get up to temp.:cool:
Fred are you running the stock reed set up on that sst60 or is that a mod56.i have been toying around with differnt reeds for the stock cages like differnt reed meterial like carbon fiber,plastic,custom cut metal just about every thing you can think of. Is that going on a raft for somebody?
ya, goin on a SLT. on the reed block, i like the two stage reeds, with one big bottom reed, and cut the ribs and webbin out of the block, for more volume over the stock block.:cool:
she's in deep in the tank, did well anyway,the fuel pump don't like to pull through the filter:confused:, i put her back in the tank the next day, she ran better;):cool: